Psionic Threats

[Redregon]

so, i've seen some comments and some posts here and there about entities, demons or whatever and other sorts of nasties that can affect you when you work with psi...

i'm curious, why isn't this discussed more often? yeah, i know, discussion on the details could lead to an AO when someone could just benefeit from more practise, but if there are real risks, why arent' they discussed in more length?

now, at first when i encountered some things (once when in a lucid dream i had when i was a kid and another when i was new to seriously studying wicca and witchcraft) i had thought that they were some sort of subconscious manifestations of fear or whatnot... but now i'm not so sure anymore.

1. the Lucid Dream entity: i was having a dream that i was in the school yard as a kid and when it turned lucid, i was doing the typical kid things like flying around, pretending to move things with my mind, that kinda thing when i saw this... thing... best i can describe was a spinning ball that had whitish fibrous tendrils that was slowly moving towards me... it would not respond to the usual dream things like trying to push it away. when i looked at it, all that came over me was a deep fear almost to the level of terror. i didn't wake up in that dream until i just ran so hard (which snapped me out of my dream and i was in a cold sweat... not fun when you're about 8 years old... and i just kept crying i was that scared... i didn't go back to sleep that night and i didn't want to go to sleep the next night.) right before it came too close though i kinda felt like it wanted to consume me somehow or take something vital from me... and it felt like it was speaking in a way... kinda a deep, instinctive impression... very cold, very almost alien in a way... basically devoid of human emotion.

2. the Starfish thing: this came to me as i was walking to work one day about 9(ish) years ago. i was working on seeing the auras of the natural world when i felt kinda a tightness somewhere on my body... i reached out with my mind and i could feel this... thing... like, it was covering a part of me... i eventually called on the goddess to assist me and was able to pull it off (not literally, i was envisioning my body moving such like how i would to just pull the thing off) and when i did, it kept trying to re-attach itself to me. if i would try to describe the impression i had, it was a five armed starfish about a foot across (yeah, i know, relative and all that stuff.) with all sorts of pustules and bumps... i'm sure i was AOing some aspects of it (which could render this one a mere fantasy i know) but when i cast it off, it just kept coming back at me.. and it felt more detailed than any other thing i've thought up before then. i ended up having to bind it and cast it into the earth which ended up dissolving it... but the feeling i got was kinda off when i pulled it... kinda like that feeling you get when you sleep on your arm the wrong way and when you wake up, the rushing feeling as the blood goes back into it... though, not so pronounced like that particular feeling... it was very subtle.

so, yeah... if these things do exist, why are they not discussed moreso? if they are a real risk for psion (and magi) how would encouraging someone to harness their mind like this site does but leave out that kinda important element do them any good in the long run?

yes, i am aware that these enconters i've had could very well be the result of an active imagination compounded with emotional "concerns" as i wasn't in the best state at those times emotionally... but still... i hear talk about parasites and demons and other sorts of spiritual and etheric entities... so, maybe i wasn't just hallucinating them.

there is one more, but i do not want to talk about that one here... though, all i'm going to say is that it played on my religous upbringing (and it predates both these) and was a recurring dream.

[NoMad]

Well, an experienced psion can tell the difference between a construct, his own imagination and a spirit critter. If you want to talk about go for it, but as for myself, I never brought it up because then every tom. dick and harry would be like, "oh noes i'm being haunted by a ghost", or "oh noes I think a demon is trying to posses me". Are these things out there, sure, does the average psion have to really worry about them, not likely, and for the few occasions where they do, well that's why we have the defense department.

[VampiricKody]

Yay so far all the first 3 posts here are Canadian. Anyhoo, I'm only 13, but starting psionics at 8 and 9 is pretty impressive if you ask me! If I were to tap in my imagination I could almost say [Even tho this is pretty fluffy] that mabey there is some sort of other being on our earth that's trying to eliminate the psions of the world and at such a young age it would be quite easy. Hehe that'd make a nice story!

[CrystalAthame]

Yay so far all the first 3 posts here are Canadian. Anyhoo, I'm only 13, but starting psionics at 8 and 9 is pretty impressive if you ask me! If I were to tap in my imagination I could almost say [Even tho this is pretty fluffy] that mabey there is some sort of other being on our earth that's trying to eliminate the psions of the world and at such a young age it would be quite easy. Hehe that'd make a nice story!

...........fail.

[Redregon]

Yay so far all the first 3 posts here are Canadian. Anyhoo, I'm only 13, but starting psionics at 8 and 9 is pretty impressive if you ask me! If I were to tap in my imagination I could almost say [Even tho this is pretty fluffy] that mabey there is some sort of other being on our earth that's trying to eliminate the psions of the world and at such a young age it would be quite easy. Hehe that'd make a nice story!

that's the thing, i've only been really studying psi for the past little while, studying Wicca for about 10 years before that... the dream thing predates all this and the starfish thing was when i was a neophyte to Wicca (the other which i will not go into detail was when i was around 5ish?)

[VampiricKody]

Very interesting indeed, and Crystal, don't say I fail just because I said something and put fluffy before it, if I didn't then I would've failed. If it was @ the canadian thing however then D:< CANADIANS PWN YEW ALL AND WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH OUR EH-NESS!!!!!!!!!

[VampiricKody]

Getting back on topic, Redregon, from what I've read of the articles on this site, perhaps you are a "born-on" >:D!

[CrystalAthame]

Very interesting indeed, and Crystal, don't say I fail just because I said something and put fluffy before it, if I didn't then I would've failed. If it was @ the canadian thing however then D:< CANADIANS PWN YEW ALL AND WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH OUR EH-NESS!!!!!!!!!

Listen, kid. I'm saying that you fail because you're going totally off topic, and making some sort of moronic fluff reply to a serious topic. And as to the Canadian part, I'm Canadian so back off.

[Redregon]

Getting back on topic, Redregon, from what I've read of the articles on this site, perhaps you are a "born-on" >:D!

don't know, haven't been scanned for birthswitch enough to know if (at all) i am anything that's listed on the site. keeping an open mind until i can actually get results back to me since i don't want to "frontload" either. and really, it doesn't really matter in the end. it's not like knowing is going to magically make me better at this.

and to be completely honest, maybe i'm just messed in the head. dunno... :P

but anyway, back on track... i can understand what could be the threats and such... and it makes no sense trying to put together some sort of compendium or whatever... still... i have to admit, they were freaky as shit.

p.s. not trying to sound rude, but if you were to tell an 8 year old kid that the night terror he had was Cool, you'd likely not make a friend... that i can remember them clearly should go to show how much of an impact they had. no worries though as i am able to look back with indifference.

[NoMad]

Ermm, Tulare. CA is a city in California USA not CAnada

[VampiricKody]

don't know, haven't been scanned for birthswitch enough to know if (at all) i am anything that's listed on the site. keeping an open mind until i can actually get results back to me since i don't want to "frontload" either. and really, it doesn't really matter in the end. it's not like knowing is going to magically make me better at this.

and to be completely honest, maybe i'm just messed in the head. dunno... :P

but anyway, back on track... i can understand what could be the threats and such... and it makes no sense trying to put together some sort of compendium or whatever... still... i have to admit, they were freaky as shit.

p.s. not trying to sound rude, but if you were to tell an 8 year old kid that the night terror he had was Cool, you'd likely not make a friend... that i can remember them clearly should go to show how much of an impact they had. no worries though as i am able to look back with indifference.
xD Good point sorry about that I suppose I was rather rude saying that it was cool ^^. Btw so far EVERY post in this thread has been Canadian :D We rule x3! It's nice to know that there are indeed other psions in my contry :3. Fredericton Nb ftw o: I prefer Annapolis County Ns tho x.x just moved from there ^^

[WingedPower]

i'm curious, why isn't this discussed more often? yeah, i know, discussion on the details could lead to an AO when someone could just benefeit from more practise, but if there are real risks, why arent' they discussed in more length?


While the risks are real, they are, for the most part, not serious. Getting possessed by an external entity or by a self-created one, is not life threatening, usually. In most cases, the problem resolves itself either through direct self action, dissipation of the entity, or through a third party, whether through direct action or indirect action.

Most people just live with it without knowing about it anyways.

Hmm.. how to put it differently... ah. If it happens to someone who cares enough to do something about it, they will probably be able to do something about it. If it happens to someone who isn't aware or couldn't care less, it's moot.


now, at first when i encountered some things (once when in a lucid dream i had when i was a kid and another when i was new to seriously studying wicca and witchcraft) i had thought that they were some sort of subconscious manifestations of fear or whatnot... but now i'm not so sure anymore.


If you are lucid dreaming, all things in your lucid dream are of your own creation, be it positive or negative. When I practiced lucid dreaming, every other attempt was a good one(flying, powers, etc) and every other one was a nightmare(chased by demons and chimeras, attacked and partially consumed by same, seeing people I know killing or killed right before my eyes, etc). Eventually, I just got used to it. But whatever is in your lucid dream, is from you. If you have some fear deep within you, which is subconcious, it might manifest. This might have nothing to do with energy work, just an internal fear manifesting in a understandable form.


1. the Lucid Dream entity: i was having a dream that i was in the school yard as a kid and when it turned lucid...very cold, very almost alien in a way... basically devoid of human emotion.


Sounds like you've already gotten past it, since it's been years ago. The problem with lucid dreaming, is the question of whether you know you are lucid dreaming... or are you astral projecting? In both cases, your perceived reality is malleable. In both cases, your subconscious mind can create phantoms and monsters that take a more self-sustaining form.

If you are were projecting, you might have key'd in on other entities and thoughts. My own worst was feeling something clawing at the boundary of my senses and screaming my name with a voice like wind blowing during a storm. The best part? When I opened my physical eyes, there was even a large blue blob of wavering energy over me... and I STILL was hearing that screaming voice. Like you, I didn't sleep much that night, but eventually, you either build up better mental defenses, energy shielding, or work more on emotional and mental grounding.

Because your own fears play a part, controlling your own internal fears helps alot, whether the perceived "entity" is sourced from you or from an outside source, as that internal calm will help you discern what is within and what is without.


2. the Starfish thing: this came to me as i was walking to work one day about 9(ish) years ago...it was very subtle.


Could be anything. Could have been a parasitic construct, entity, astral projection of someone else, your own projected fears+imagination, etc.

Most people underestimate what your own mind can do to your own body. Creating numbness, even if slight, can be originated from your own mind.

Since the description you provided sounded like you had no shields up and your natural instinct isn't to raise/increase shielding when confronted, if you haven't already worked on that... that might be a good way to go:
- strengthen your mind/focus. Your own fears and thoughts can create the problems more strongly than any external force.
- strengthen your shields and reflexes... seeing is great, but if you can't do anything about a blobby star that's coming to get you... well, it's hard to close your eyes.


so, yeah... if these things do exist, why are they not discussed moreso? if they are a real risk for psion (and magi) how would encouraging someone to harness their mind like this site does but leave out that kinda important element do them any good in the long run?


Generally speaking, the advice I give to anyone who is starting out and encounters me is this: if you MUST start working with energy/magick/etc... learn defense FIRST.

The reason why it isn't discussed much is probably due to the fact that most of the time, an energy worker who shields isn't likely to be bothered by such things, and if they are, they can handle them.


yes, i am aware that these enconters i've had could very well be the result of an active imagination compounded with emotional "concerns" as i wasn't in the best state at those times emotionally... but still... i hear talk about parasites and demons and other sorts of spiritual and etheric entities... so, maybe i wasn't just hallucinating them.


*shrugs* Could be either.


there is one more, but i do not want to talk about that one here... though, all i'm going to say is that it played on my religous upbringing (and it predates both these) and was a recurring dream.

once again... *shrugs* religion, like fear and emotions, is just something that you need to control and manage, rather than letting it control/influence you.

Going through the forums here... but more importantly, through the main website's library, you'll find good information. There are other sites, of course. But like your own emotions/fears/religious-beliefs/etc... information needs to be filtered. Separating useful information from... well... cruft.

WP.

[NoMad]

kody did you totally miss when i said I WASN'T from canada?

[Jklp44]

Very interesting indeed, and Crystal, don't say I fail just because I said something and put fluffy before it, if I didn't then I would've failed. If it was @ the canadian thing however then D:< CANADIANS PWN YEW ALL AND WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH OUR EH-NESS!!!!!!!!!
Eh!
and i dont think that you have to worry about them cuz i havent really heard about anything majorly bad. and of course we always have the defense dept. ;]
Jklp44

[Redregon]

While the risks are real, they are, for the most part, not serious. Getting possessed by an external entity or by a self-created one, is not life threatening, usually. In most cases, the problem resolves itself either through direct self action, dissipation of the entity, or through a third party, whether through direct action or indirect action.

... *SNIP*...

Going through the forums here... but more importantly, through the main website's library, you'll find good information. There are other sites, of course. But like your own emotions/fears/religious-beliefs/etc... information needs to be filtered. Separating useful information from... well... cruft.

WP.

very good points. i'm not so naieve as to come to some sort of conclusion and i guess that the night terrors could be just that... night terrors. though, still, i am thinking of trying to find answers. if this entity in my dream was some sort of presence, i'd like to know why it came. if it is some sort of subconscious manifestation, well, i'd like to learn how to confront those feelings that it represented... both means of getting to know "me" better i guess... do you by chance have any suggestions on how one would be better able to differentiate and identify things in the past or is it something where i'll have to just let it be for now and go on without knowing?

given that i have been out of my body a couple times, i can't say without a shadow of a doubt that wether it was an OBE or AP or whatever. i guess this will open more questions for me to answer in time.

as for shielding, i've been working on a couple... one seems to be pretty solid atm and it's been pretty good at keeping things out for the time being. this is one which i kinda had to work on a couple years ago... crash course? yeah, but still, it was easier to call on than creating a new shield.

heheh, i'm sure that these kinds of questions get asked frequently... in time i feel confidant that i'll be able to find the answers, but for now, it feels as if i'm swimming with the big fish and there are so many things i'd like to know. :P

[WingedPower]

if it is some sort of subconscious manifestation, well, i'd like to learn how to confront those feelings that it represented... both means of getting to know "me" better i guess... do you by chance have any suggestions on how one would be better able to differentiate and identify things in the past or is it something where i'll have to just let it be for now and go on without knowing?


There is a basic technique you can employ to query your subconscious... actually, there are several.

While these techniques are not psionics based, I think in this case, they can be helpful for self-diagnosis.

If you are employing OBE techniques, one, which employs the expulsion of your astral/energy matter to form another body, you can form that body into your own form and practice communicating with it, to access your subconscious. You could also employ meditation, constructs(which the obe technique is, more or less), and self-hypnosis.


heheh, i'm sure that these kinds of questions get asked frequently... in time i feel confidant that i'll be able to find the answers, but for now, it feels as if i'm swimming with the big fish and there are so many things i'd like to know. :P

Meh. Everyone is a small fish in a big pond. We're all going to die someday anyways.

As for shielding... forming the shield within yourself and expanding it outwards, filtering and pushing out that which isn't yourself, is a good technique.

In either case:
- meditation
- shielding
- self-inquiry

Good touch points.

WP.

[TheUncom]

I think the thing to remember is that when it comes to psionic work, few things are concrete or definite. We all come to our conclusions based on trial and error or past experiences but nothing grates on my nerves more than someone touting solid knowledge of something that none of us will ever truly understand. I approach the matter as a student with no hopes of graduating. I'm grateful for the knowledge I get but know that everything can be proven wrong in my bank of facts. As far as the current topic, here is what I know from -my- experiences.

Things certainly can attack us. My own husband was subject to demonic attack but that's because he was a bad person at the time and was unconsciously welcoming the invasion, that combined with some medium abilities pegged him as an easy meal. Most of the attacks on me have come from other psionics. Some of them I know personally and it's a result of a battle that was unavoidable, backstabbing and lies and manipulation and the like. Some seemed to be nothing more than novice psionics testing their abilities. (As a side note... testing your attacks on other psionics is f-in stupid and it is beyond me why so many try it but... enjoy your busted up cores.) As far as things coming from other planes... man I don't even pretend to understand them, I just deal with them when they come in the best way I can. I approach it like a scientist, developing theories and testing methods until I find what works. It only ever makes us stronger even though it can be a pain in the ass.

But... you're right in that defense is more important than most people treat it. Lots of folk tend to want to develop new 'toys' or whatnot and leave their defensive training to fall to the wayside. By necessity, I've had to focus on little else except for defense. Which is hard for me as an empathic healer, I seem to be fairly helpless in many areas but I've learned to use what I have more effectively instead of trying to develop what other people have. Which means you're always your strongest when you stick with what you know, I suppose.

Don't be so quick to blame things on your imagination. Learning to let your intuition guide you can possibly be one of the most important things in psionics. Without that, we get stuck in a loop of continually doubting our work and it makes us weaker and more vulnerable. Even if you're wrong sometimes, best to err on the side of caution.

Good luck to you.

A

[jammer854]

so, i've seen some comments and some posts here and there about entities, demons or whatever and other sorts of nasties that can affect you when you work with psi...

i'm curious, why isn't this discussed more often? yeah, i know, discussion on the details could lead to an AO when someone could just benefeit from more practise, but if there are real risks, why arent' they discussed in more length?

now, at first when i encountered some things (once when in a lucid dream i had when i was a kid and another when i was new to seriously studying wicca and witchcraft) i had thought that they were some sort of subconscious manifestations of fear or whatnot... but now i'm not so sure anymore.

1. the Lucid Dream entity: i was having a dream that i was in the school yard as a kid and when it turned lucid, i was doing the typical kid things like flying around, pretending to move things with my mind, that kinda thing when i saw this... thing... best i can describe was a spinning ball that had whitish fibrous tendrils that was slowly moving towards me... it would not respond to the usual dream things like trying to push it away. when i looked at it, all that came over me was a deep fear almost to the level of terror. i didn't wake up in that dream until i just ran so hard (which snapped me out of my dream and i was in a cold sweat... not fun when you're about 8 years old... and i just kept crying i was that scared... i didn't go back to sleep that night and i didn't want to go to sleep the next night.) right before it came too close though i kinda felt like it wanted to consume me somehow or take something vital from me... and it felt like it was speaking in a way... kinda a deep, instinctive impression... very cold, very almost alien in a way... basically devoid of human emotion.

2. the Starfish thing: this came to me as i was walking to work one day about 9(ish) years ago. i was working on seeing the auras of the natural world when i felt kinda a tightness somewhere on my body... i reached out with my mind and i could feel this... thing... like, it was covering a part of me... i eventually called on the goddess to assist me and was able to pull it off (not literally, i was envisioning my body moving such like how i would to just pull the thing off) and when i did, it kept trying to re-attach itself to me. if i would try to describe the impression i had, it was a five armed starfish about a foot across (yeah, i know, relative and all that stuff.) with all sorts of pustules and bumps... i'm sure i was AOing some aspects of it (which could render this one a mere fantasy i know) but when i cast it off, it just kept coming back at me.. and it felt more detailed than any other thing i've thought up before then. i ended up having to bind it and cast it into the earth which ended up dissolving it... but the feeling i got was kinda off when i pulled it... kinda like that feeling you get when you sleep on your arm the wrong way and when you wake up, the rushing feeling as the blood goes back into it... though, not so pronounced like that particular feeling... it was very subtle.

so, yeah... if these things do exist, why are they not discussed moreso? if they are a real risk for psion (and magi) how would encouraging someone to harness their mind like this site does but leave out that kinda important element do them any good in the long run?

yes, i am aware that these enconters i've had could very well be the result of an active imagination compounded with emotional "concerns" as i wasn't in the best state at those times emotionally... but still... i hear talk about parasites and demons and other sorts of spiritual and etheric entities... so, maybe i wasn't just hallucinating them.

there is one more, but i do not want to talk about that one here... though, all i'm going to say is that it played on my religous upbringing (and it predates both these) and was a recurring dream.

I think that demons are less powerful that humans they try to scare you into beleiving that they are more powerful than you and therefore should be worshipped. this is not true and if you (or a loved one)are LEGITIMATELY attacked by a REAL DEMON then you should call an Excorcist from a Catholic church Excorisms are real they are still being done . If the church tryuly belives that you have problems they will NOT DENY you help NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION YOU ARE! this applies to all religions so if you are TRULY having problems contact the local catholic church and ask the Pastor for help and that you belive that you need an excorcism he will help you with the protocol for contacting the bishop who is the one who ultimately gives authuorization for exorcisms and in some cases is the exorcist. I AM NOT trying to offend anbody by publicly stating my beleifs I truly think that the right thing to do when trying to help people is to give them the best option.

[Daimon]

Or just contact the Guilds Defense Department.

[Shiningwolf]

Feel free to slap me if i get this wrong, my exorcism stuff is a little rusty.

Catholic exorcisms don't always work, and it takes awhile for the Church just to get around to it, the possessed person often has to do a really long medical exam. I think it also hinges on whether the entity fears the Christian god/angels they pray to or whatever. Don't quote me on that, i'll brush up on some old stuff if you really want to know.

[New2]

Hmm, that's very interesting.

[brenayz]

the squid thingy was probably a special construct made by a vamp, and the tendril ball was probably a rouge practice construct made to stay alive on its own, or a spirit, energy being, or it may have been something YOU made and came back. creepy...

[Neeros]

That's why it's a good idea to have a servitor hunt down all your rogue constructs and either destroy them or reprogram them every once in awhile.

[mr.odd]

What is a servitor, specifically, and what would I do to aquire one?

[New2]

I'm Still not sure what it is, but my boyfriend made one a long time ago out of a styrofoam head & some other stuff... I'm not sure Why it was made exactly like it was, lol. But it Did look pretty cool.

[Neeros]

Servitor is pretty much just an advanced construct that can carry out instructions. Some have varying levels of AI, most have combat capabilities, they are kinda like swiss army knives. For the purpose I outlined above it'll need combat capabilities and at least enough intelligence to determine which action to take and a fair degree of programming skill. If you can scan, here is one of mine. *points*