Wikipedia Editing - Something's a little fishy...

[stony1205]

Hello everyone,

I've been noticing a lot of back and forth changes to the Psionics article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psionics as of late, and there seem to be some troubling edits.

It seems as though someone in this community has managed to argue a very problematic stance. In the "External Links" section, more often than not, Psion Guild seems to be the only link listed. There used to be PsiPog, PsiOnline, Psionics Online, Psi Links, Vertias, and others. I've noticed some anonymous people putting those links BACK on the site, but its immediately marked as vandalism. And yet, the link to Psion Guild stays.

Doesn't that seem just a tad bit...odd?

When you look on the discussion page, much of the commentary is by known Psion Guild members. There are links to someone else's talk page where discussion about what links are valid was posted, but of course, its all gone now. Of course, there is deep discussion about the guild and how its a good source (I"m not saying it isn't, by the way), but these other sites...nahh, they can go.

I'm not saying there's some conspiracy or anything, I haven't proof of that. But I must say, it really is quite odd that there is only one community listed in the external links.

Maybe there is someone here who has been editing wikipedia. If so, could they come to this thread and provide to me an argument as to why Guild and ONLY guild gets to be in the external links list? I'd like to see some nice rational premises here. If we're talking about encyclopedic credibility, I can bet there are many people who would contest the fact that the Guild is the only credible place. What makes Guild any more credible than Veritas or PsiPog?

From my own point of view, it seems as though certain members here have either officially of unofficially decided to put forth Guild as the only source of credible information. They've managed to convince editors at wikipedia who are obviously not familiar with the subject (I'm sure we all know how that was done) to mark any other links to any other communities as vandalism. How convenient is that?

I don't know who is involved, how it was done, or why. I don't care, really. It could be one person for all I know. But I must say, shame on them. It is completely inappropriate behavior (assuming its true), and makes everyone else look like a bunch of fools. I work just as hard on my community as a lot of other people. I try to provide a level headed and welcoming resource for psionics education. So what makes my work any less official than Guild's? This whole thing is nonsense, and it needs to stop.

I'm sure I've made remarks here that I'll regret typing, but I must say, I am quite angry about this situation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Resolve this, please.

~ Stony1205
Administrator of PsiOnline.org
Former PsiPog.net Moderator

[metalforever]

I totally agree with the above statement. Has anyone ever tried to search google for a Psionics site? Did anyone come up with any decent links (besides Wikipedia) that were useful? For many of these sites (such as Psipog, VSociety, Psionline, and my site, PsionicsOnline), Wikipedia is the ONLY source of traffic. Changing those things is not only rude but immoral. If this persists, I will have to dedicate many hours out of my tight schedule(14 hours of schooling a day), just to work on Search Engine Optimization so people are able to find the site i put so much time and effort into.

That however is not the say that the Psion Guild is not a good resource. It is just that i feel that other sites can be a good resource as well, and the links should stop being messed with. If this really becomes a problem, i will try to get in contact with Wikipedia about all of the edits that have been done in an attempt to try to restore the page to what it looked like around six months ago.

I cannot believe this.

~Metalforever
PsionicsOnline.net Webmaster, Concerned.

[psiontist]

I am in a rush and can not say much, but i agree with Metal and stony. Fully, hands down.

[MindlessInvalid]

the guild has scientific explanations, veritas and psipog don't, psipog is defunked and is no longera valid source of info as the current psionics crowd has moved past that info. I think that psioniconline (if it has anything to do with what darkflame studios on youtube has been doing (they say they are affilliated with you)) is a waste of time and complete trash (then again I'm just going on what I know from the damned youtube scandal involving a post made by the ex-founder of psipog) Not that I approve of censorship, but irrelevant info needs to be strained out of places like wikipedia where people are spoon fed information. I'm not protecting or attacking any side of the issue here, I don;t know enough about it yet, I'll run a follow up post when I think I have all the facts.

[Daimon]

I haven't heard anything about someone from the Psion Guild editing any wikipedia-page and removing links to other communities.

Other good reliable sources should of course be linked from wikipedia.
PsiPog is a good example of a link that should be in there, but marked as un-updated or something similar, as it has been shut down.

The Psion Guild has been around for a long long time, whereas a lot of other places around the internet has not, I haven't even seen the wikipedia page but I will look later.

I'm sorry to hear though, that someone has been messing with it, and I hope that it is not someone from here as they are not doing anyone a favor by removing all the other links.

(Oh, and Metalforever, if the ONLY traffic you're getting is from wikipedia, you need to sit down and think of why. Add links in other places, check out SEO, etc. Because google, yahoo, altavista, etc. should bring up your site if you've entered them right in their engines.)

[NoMad]

at the time of this post, all six sites listed above are marked as links. secondly, how do you know it's someone from the guild doing this?

[Amaya]

I haven't heard of anyone from the guild editing wikipedia nor have I heard of any admin authorizing such. Firestorm is our networking admin, I'll ask him if he knows anything about this. He can look into it if he doesn't.

[Pavlov's Dog]

Seems like it could be an attempt to ruin TPG credibility, if any exists outside of the guild itself. Several times we personally were accused of assuming control of the article for advertising purposes. If anyone's got a botnet up, now might be a nice time to apply it.

[NoMad]

i'm thinking along the same lines pavlov.

[metalforever]

the guild has scientific explanations, veritas and psipog don't, psipog is defunked and is no longera valid source of info as the current psionics crowd has moved past that info. I think that psioniconline (if it has anything to do with what darkflame studios on youtube has been doing (they say they are affilliated with you)) is a waste of time and complete trash (then again I'm just going on what I know from the damned youtube scandal involving a post made by the ex-founder of psipog) Not that I approve of censorship, but irrelevant info needs to be strained out of places like wikipedia where people are spoon fed information. I'm not protecting or attacking any side of the issue here, I don;t know enough about it yet, I'll run a follow up post when I think I have all the facts.


Let me get this straight----- the guild has scientific theories but psionicsonline doesnt?
What is this?:

www.psionicsonline.net/psychokinesislimitationtheory



And i have never in my ENTIRE life heard of this "darkflame studios". Please point me where you saw this website, or place.

All of our affiliates are listed on the sidepanel on the site and include places like psipog or stony's site. (Click "Home")

Do NOT call my work trash.



(Oh, and Metalforever, if the ONLY traffic you're getting is from wikipedia, you need to sit down and think of why. Add links in other places, check out SEO, etc. Because google, yahoo, altavista, etc. should bring up your site if you've entered them right in their engines.)

I never said that Wikipedia was my ONLY source of traffic. It, however, is a significant portion of my traffic, and enough of my traffic comes from Wikipedia that I am angered by the link changes and being marked a vandal by FIXING the VANDALISM that has been occuring on Wikipedia's page.

[thegrogen]

MI, I'm a member of both the Guild and PsionicsOnline, and I have to say that they're about equal in terms of "scientific explanations". The main difference between the two communities is that PO is a little more open and generally a tad more "mainstream" - I see people from many other communities there. Another difference that I've noticed, perhaps in consequence, is that the average age (judged in terms of post content and sentence structuring, among other things) seems to be somewhat lower than here. That's changing, though.

PsionicsOnline has nothing to do with "DarkFlame" or whatever it was that you mentioned. I was a member of PsiPog as well, and I've never heard of this.

I do see a little of where MI is coming from when it comes to PO, though. I do see a bit more of what I would call "fluff" in some areas of that forum. That is more a consequence of its open-ness than anything else. The guild tends to be a little more closed-minded than other communities. Perhaps with reason, perhaps not. I tend to side with the Guild because I see other communities as being TOO open. There's a limit to how open you can be without something being fluff. That is NOT a criticism of you or your work, metal, mark that down; I'm merely pointing out that the community seems to be evolving in that general direction. That's a consequence of its size. In fact, I've noticed that much of the OEC seems to be following similar trends, including the Guild. Publicity is not necessarily a good thing, IMO.

I tend to agree with you when it comes to Veritas, though, Mindless. That place seems to be more about religion and mysticism than science.

[MindlessInvalid]

I did NOT call your work trash. I merely said that a group on youtube that claimed they were affiliated with you, WAS. I'll link some of their stuff, apparently they have a quote from Pee brain (aka sean connelly) that really pissed me off with the fluffiness involved, so either sean jumped off the deep end or these guys are opportunistic attention grabbers trying to ruin peoples reputations. I don't remember if this is true or not (memory is a bit fuzzy) but it LOOKED like they had one of saintbobs videos (I posted a complaint about this because of the whole ethics thing that saintbob bought up in his video) I'm going to look up this video and link it, (the sean one, not the saintbob one) either way, they claimed to be affiliated with you (I PMed them to find out which community they were from)
EDIT: the do not have the saintbob video, and most of their stuff isn't psionics related, I'm not even gonna bother linking the video, I do want to say I'm sorry for suggesting that you might be affiliated with them.

[Apollo]

From reading this thread, it is quite noticeable that people at The Psion Guild do not know who did this, or for what reason.

I think we all know that there will always be fluff in the world of Psionics. Now, I have never actually paid attention to The Psion Guild and their special beliefs here, but I know that if you wish for the psionic community to grow (or at least sustain itself), you must teach others. When people start out, they normally have an abstract view of Psionics (from the movies and such). So why be so exclusive? That hurts the rest of the communities and, ultimately, your own.


I do agree that "fluff" has gotten a bit out of control in some certain websites, but what one site considers "fluff" may not be the same as another site's. If you disagree with another site, that does not mean you should censor them. Users of the internet should have the right to choose their own places of teaching. With these childish censorships (such as Wikipedia), it stops flow of traffic to other websites. Does this give The Psion Guild more traffic? Sure. But what if these users think this place is a pile of shit (trust me....there are plenty of people who think that)? Psionics loses them forever. Why do this? It makes absolutely no sense.


Yes, Wikipedia is editable. However, that reason is to allow the flow of information across the internet. Censorship is not the correct route for this. It is childish.


~Apollo
Psi-Links Owner
Former PsiPog.net Moderator
Seven years experience

[thegrogen]

From reading this thread, it is quite noticeable that people at The Psion Guild do not know who did this, or for what reason.

Interestingly, you still go on to imply an accusation of the Guild... understandable, but thought I'd point that out.

I think we all know that there will always be fluff in the world of Psionics. Now, I have never actually paid attention to The Psion Guild and their special beliefs here, but I know that if you wish for the psionic community to grow (or at least sustain itself), you must teach others. When people start out, they normally have an abstract view of Psionics (from the movies and such). So why be so exclusive? That hurts the rest of the communities and, ultimately, your own.

Since I'm the one who brought up fluff, I'm assuming this is addressed in part to me. The problem is not the fluff itself - you are entirely correct on that "abstract view of psionics", I'm sure most psis I know have been there at least once. Certainly I was, for a time. The problem is that this "abstract view" is not evolving into a more "mature view" (for lack of a better term) as quickly as it has in the past. I attribute this to new sites' "openness"; the communities that are "open" are usually more "mainstream" in the psi world, and as such get a higher concentration of "abstracters". Note that I am not pointing fingers here, nor am I implying that censorship is a good thing. Correlation does not imply causation. I am simply making an observation that the OEC in general is "fluffier" than it has been even in previous times.

The problem I refer to with the "openness", to perhaps phrase it better, is that "everyone is entitled to their opinion" (which is something a LOT of these new people are saying) seems to be taken to mean "everyone is right", which is logically impossible.

I've noticed that "newbies" seem to come in waves, and with them comes more "fluff", which turns over the months and years into "maturity" (again for lack of a better term). An example of this is MindlessInvalid (apologies to him for using him as an example). When he first arrived, his view of psi was more or less the typical "fluffy" teenager who has just discovered all this view. Complete with a multitude of spelling mistakes. :P Nowadays he uses quite good grammar and spelling and tends to make good arguments and has some good ideas (IMO). It was quite interesting to see how his online personality evolved in the time he's been here. This almost certainly applies to most of us, as well, but I decided to use MI as an example since the change I saw was the most obvious.

This wave seems to be one of the strongest I've seen, however. The Guild in particular feels like it's turning into a kid's site. PsionicsOnline already feels like a kids site to me. It's in part this "everyone is [right | entitled to their own opinion]" that makes thing seem that way. I've noticed that adults tend not to follow that attitude - they encourage kids to, but they don't seem to follow it themselves. At least, not in the "everybody is right" way that kids nowadays are. As someone who considers themselves "scientific", it saddens me to see that. I could go on, but that would just be offtopic rambling.


I do agree that "fluff" has gotten a bit out of control in some certain websites, but what one site considers "fluff" may not be the same as another site's.

I should make the note here that the "fluff" I refer to is fluff in the respective paradigms of the site. I am certainly capable of paradigm shifts (in fact, being a lover of science it's necessary in order to use psi at all), and do use them when I visit different sites. But even with the paradigm shifts, fluff is still evident.

If you disagree with another site, that does not mean you should censor them. Users of the internet should have the right to choose their own places of teaching.

Not disputing this at all. In fact, I encourage membership at several sites; not only does it bring the psi community closer together, it develops the need, desire, and capability for "paradigm shifts", which may be necessary for certain types of psi work as well as coming up with new ideas and hypotheses.

With these childish censorships (such as Wikipedia), it stops flow of traffic to other websites. Does this give The Psion Guild more traffic? Sure.

See my first observation above.

But what if these users think this place is a pile of shit (trust me....there are plenty of people who think that)?

That's something I've noticed as well. It's usually the birthswitch paradigm that comes under fire. The Guild also seems a little less "mystical" (in terms of my usual paradigm, that is) than certain people should like. Niushirra [I think that's his name?] would have a fit if he saw this place, especially given his apparent embracing of the "commonplace" paradigm. This might be the (admittedly less than well-phrased) point MindlessInvalid was making with regards to how scientific other sites are.

[Shiningwolf]

Honestly. PsionicsOnline approaches psionics in a more scientific sense than the guild. They also have some scientist experimenting on the subject in that community (Erik J Durwood i think? forgot pretty much everything about him). Also, maybe because the Guild has been around for SUCH a long time and has a strong policy against fluff is the reason? Also, the Guild has a reputation in alot of other communities for being "closed-minded" (aka = realistic) sometimes.

[Pavlov's Dog]

So, let's discuss the worst case scenario. This is all a setup by some outside party, meant to corrupt the public image of the psion guild. We can assume that the party must know that this is the result of their actions, due to their proficiency with the wikipedia, and will certainly notice that it is occurring. Alternative confirmation is given by the fact that this thread is now in existence. Size of the aggressing party is indeterminable from current data, though a relationship between members and high computer literacy is clear. The more literate the individual members are, the fewer are required, as computer automation for such tasks are readily available. And given the increasing rates of computer literacy around the world, as well as the growing gap between the moderately literate and the illiterate, we can assume that the party is at least literate enough that comparatively few members are required. Without physical access to server logs, we can't be sure of who is doing this, how many there are, or where they are.

Their motive is unknown, though it is possible to the point of being likely that they are themselves attempting to accelerate the corruption via one end or the other. This thread has largely not attacked the guild image, though the wikipedia discussion has, so potentially any attackers or subtle aggravators from either source are candidates.

And that's all I've got. The mental web of connections doesn't seem to point anywhere else. Anyone know when the alterations began, or have access to server logs from wikipedia?

[Winged_Wolf]

The Guild and its establishment has no knowledge of any changes to Wikipedia articles that involve links to it or other places. We do not condone removing links to other psionics sites.
We're also not going to bother with the whole thing, because we have better things to do.

The Guild has always not only allowed but encouraged links to and discussions of other psionics sites. We keep links to other communities on our site, because the philosophy of the administration in general is that people should read and learn as much as they can from as many different sources as they can.

There is a difference between the opinion of an individual Guild member or administrator, and the opinion of the Guild itself, and that needs to be understood. MY opinion is NOT the 'opinion of The Psion Guild'. When I'm speaking FOR the Guild, that will be clear in the text--as it is here.

The Guild's code of conduct is required to be followed by its members. Within the scope of that code of conduct, there is room for a vast array of different belief systems and methods. The Guild is not and never will be a generalist organization, though--it's for psions, not mages or chi-workers or other types of energy workers. If there is quibbling over the definition of a psion, we define that on our site as well. If there is a disagreement with our definition, feel free to make up your own word to describe what we have defined...we'll continue to use this one, but if it makes you feel better, go right ahead. We never claimed ours was the only definition of psionics, either, and we don't really care how your definition of the word is different.

We always have a small percentage of people who come into the Guild community, and complain that it's too exclusive. By this they mean 'it excludes my practices'. Why are they here, then? Probably for the social factors. They like the information they find, and the interactions they're reading about, but they feel thwarted because they can't share what they believe on our forums and discuss it with others. That's really just too bad...they will have to start or find a community that revolves around their beliefs and practices. Ours is not going to change to accomodate them. People do not have a right to use our message boards or areas to discuss whatever they want to. So long as they stick to our guidelines, we're happy to have them around, whatever their beliefs or opinions may be.

[stony1205]

After some cool down time and reading the posts here, I just wanted to put in a few things.

I don't think anyone at this site would officially create some sort of program to purposefully change wikipedia for the Guild's betterment. Pavlov's Dog idea seems to be a pretty logical progression of ideas based upon the current evidence. I still think there might be some sort of misunderstanding between our sector and the editors on wikipedia in terms of what defines a credible site, but seeing as most of the actual psionics article is a bit rubbish anyway, it isn't too surprising.

I'm not saying "The Guild by itself needs to take ____ action", by the way. Now that everyone knows the situation, I think a decent solution can be worked out between the various communities and the editors/staff at the wikimedia foundation. Perhaps some of us can even get together and rewrite the wikipedia article to be more complete and encyclopedic. Its very all over the place right now.

Shiningwolf: Unless I'm mistaken, Erik J Durwood isn't actually a scientist. He's just interested in running scientific experiments. I might be remembering my conversation with him incorrectly, but I'm pretty sure he actually does IT work.

I think the argument of "Community X is more scientific than Community Y" is bollocks anyway. No community here fits into any of the current scientific paradigms. I don't care if you can use conventionalist twisting to fit psionics into string theory or quantum field theory, or if you think it runs on the urine of magical pink unicorns, nobody fits into the accepted paradigm, and effectively, nobody is "scientific" at all. You can use this argument when you have effective data and when you get a paper published in an actual journal.

There are some people here who are concerned about the actual paradigm and educational changes in our psionic "neighborhood" as a whole. It seems others are stuck in 2002 with PsiPog-like disputes about "who sucks more". No doubt we have experienced many communities carve out new niches since PsiPog closed, and mine (PsiOnline.org) is no exception (once I get the new site up). For those who actually do care about these paradigm changes, we need to actually get on the same page, define them, understand their differences, and be able to respect their boundaries. Not only is it good for wikipedia articles and intersite conflict, it will help with overall understanding as well.

Its really no wonder areas of higher education, (and the educated public) don't take any of us seriously, we can't even get our own crap together half of the time. It took a long, long time for psychology to be considered a science due to all the ridiculous infighting between the different schools, and they had actual experimental evidence to back their claims.

Now that I'm way off topic, I think I'll end my rant.

~ Stony1205
Administrator of PsiOnline.org

[MindlessInvalid]

Stony, I was with you until you crossed a philosophical line, nothing is ___ until it is ___. We can be scientific, the question is, will the current "protectors" of the current scientific paradigm decide to accept that? We (psions in general) have mounds of statistical esp and micro PK data that people take for granted. Nomad, basing his work off of ANKA's, has theorized based of patterns in behavior of psi, that it is a negatively charged sub atomic particle that is smaller (because it is possibly the byproduct of) an electron. We have an experiment in a quasi experimental model that supports this hypothesis and we are attempting to broaden it to be able to provide more valid results than "psi increases electrical resistance of a solid"

[Shiningwolf]

He said he's working part-time as one, least thats how i remembered our convo. Like he does stuff in a lab on the side.

[Ancient_Arcane]

WikiScanner: List anonymous wikipedia edits from interesting organizations

http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/

[Firestorm]

Several years ago (before I became the Guild's Director), I completely rewrote the article on Psionics, which was a mess and on the verge of Deletion. In the 'external links' section of MY rewrite, I included links to the four biggest and oldest organizations in the OEC, namely the Guild, Psi Palatium, Veritas, and PsiPog (it was still active then). I intentionally didn't include the smaller places, because they hadn't been around enough to carve out a reputation.

Since the collapse of PsiPog, things have changed. UPC had taken over the fourth spot for a while, and then it died too. All of the post-PsiPog organizations want to become the next big one, so they start feuds over who gets to have traffic from Wikipedia.

Eventually one (or more) will get the necessary traffic and reputation to become the next big thing, but until then, can we PLEASE stop the petty bickering? The Guild doesn't care about who gets to be on the Wikipedia page, as long as the information contained on that page is reliable and serves the OEC as a whole.

Anyway, that's just my $0.02 on the matter.

[MindlessInvalid]

*claps enthusiastically*

[Carrera]

First of all I don't think you should come here or anywhere alse for that matter and without any proof say that someone in the guild changed the article. And even if it was someone from here, one they probably wouldn't say; and for two its not fair that you blaim the entire guild for the activity of one person.

I do agree it's not right and whoever did it should stop doing such things. It hurts the people who have no link from wiki anymore as well as the guild because it makes them look like childish people looking to corner the "psionic market" as it were.

If there is proof that someone from the guild has done it then you should talk to an admin by messaging them so they can deal with it and not posting in the forums in such a way as to slap pretty much everyone on this site in the face.

And one last thing "MindlessInvalid", you really should be careful about dissing someones credability. It's not nice and people might start also questioning your credability as well.

[abcopp]

you really should be careful about dissing someones credability. It's not nice and people might start also questioning your credability as well.

you should take your own advice too

[NoMad]

FYI, Mindless didn't diss anyone, he simply stated his own opinion on someone, who said they were affiliated with psionline. basically mindless stated that he views someone on youtube as trash, the youtube person says they are connected to psionline, it just so happens he isn't, which means mindless wasn't dissing psionline.

[thegrogen]

First of all I don't think you should come here or anywhere alse for that matter and without any proof say that someone in the guild changed the article. And even if it was someone from here, one they probably wouldn't say; and for two its not fair that you blaim the entire guild for the activity of one person.

As I understand it, they were making the Guild, the entire Guild, aware of this apparent problem. They don't need to have proof of who did something to tell people that something is happening.


If there is proof that someone from the guild has done it then you should talk to an admin by messaging them so they can deal with it and not posting in the forums in such a way as to slap pretty much everyone on this site in the face.

I disagree. The admins are not repsonsible for the actions of Guild members except when they're on this site. In any case, if it WAs proven that someone from the Guild was doing this, we would probably end up ostracizing them if we found out. Or some of us would, at any rate.

And one last thing "MindlessInvalid", you really should be careful about dissing someones credability. It's not nice and people might start also questioning your credability as well.

Do people still say "diss" anymore...? O_o Haven't heard that word in years...

[abcopp]

yes people still say diss, I hear it all the time

[metalforever]

FYI, Mindless didn't diss anyone, he simply stated his own opinion on someone, who said they were affiliated with psionline. basically mindless stated that he views someone on youtube as trash, the youtube person says they are connected to psionline, it just so happens he isn't, which means mindless wasn't dissing psionline.

Psionline does not equal PsionicsOnline.



As far as ErikJDurwood goes, he used about 30 grand of his own money researching Psionics. As far as i am concerned, he is a scientist. He DOES have a day job as a graphics designer, however, which i am assuming he enjoys.

[thegrogen]

It's a pity PsiStudies died. That was one of my favorite psi communities. I preferred it to PsiPog, as it was smaller and closer-knit, and stayed that way for much longer. Then 7chan /i/ discovered it, and other stuff happened that I don't know about.

That community seems to have completely fragmented, most of the people I remember from there aren't even on other sites. I ended up migrating to PsionicsOnline (was already at the Guild), but I haven't seen many others there.

[Firestorm]

Ah, I remember that raid. Guild was their final attack, and we held them off successfully. then I infiltrated the /i/nsurgency and sort of never left.

But yeah, JoeT and I took the entire 7chan down with micro-pk ourselves for a few hours. That was pretty epic, though I wish we could have gotten on it long enough to save some of the smaller ones that got blown away.

[NoMad]

metal, my bad but the statement stands, (except that psionline was meant to be psionicsonline i guess)

FYI, you all should choose names that aren't so confusing, lol.

[thegrogen]

But yeah, JoeT and I took the entire 7chan down with micro-pk ourselves for a few hours.

I'm not sure micro-PK had much to do with it. 7chan had a "jailbait" board and when they came back up it was gone, if I recall correctly...

[Firestorm]

No, /cake/ stayed around long after that; it was removed a few months ago. They never explained, and then the next day they took down /i/.

[Shiningwolf]

Holy shit there was a war?!

[thegrogen]

No, /cake/ stayed around long after that; it was removed a few months ago.

/cake/ was not jailbait. /cake/ was Lolicon. /jb/ was jailbait.

They never explained, and then the next day they took down /i/.

That's right, I remember now. There were some other raids in progress at the same time and they were harassing another who was spreading the "news", and if I recall correct they were asked by law enforcement (or someone else) to take down /i/.

[Carrera]

I wanted to mention that what I said in my previous post was posted from my interpretation. And I do appologize if I ruffled more feathers by doing any missinterpretation. I will note my mind is a mess from this pregnancy and stress I'm under right now; just if anyone wonders or cares. And what's wrong with the word "diss"?

[Winged_Wolf]

For the record, the Guild never talks about its site traffic. We occasionally talk about how we need a PR person to help answer questions and do a bit more advertising to bring new people into the community...but we don't have one.
I haven't LOOKED at the Guild's traffic stats in like half a year, lol...
That's how much I care.
I just did so. Apparently yesterday 83 people visited the top site. We get an average of 303 unique visitors per week. Not super high, not vanishingly low.
I see no particular reason to start caring. What matters to me is people who participate in the chat and forums, and contribute. I could care less whether or not Wikipedia links to us.

[metalforever]

Honestly, i dont really have a feature set up anymore to look at unique hits, but last time i looked, i had a bunch of hits coming from psipog, a bunch from youtube, and a bunch from the wiki.

and PsionicsOnline had a ddos earlier in the year we were dealing with, so yeah, people still hate Psionics.

Coming from the webmaster, psistudies died because the server fried, he lost the stuff, and it just was never put back up.

[Pavlov's Dog]

Bummer. A sad consequence of not backing up your data. I like to think that the basic idea of psionics allows most of the specific knowledge to be regenerated by caring practitioners, though, so you might be able to turn to them to help.