Poll: What do you believe psionics is?

[Winged_Wolf]

Which psionics theory do you personally favor?

[Elliptic]

See here (http://www.psionguild.org/psionguildforum/viewtopic.php?t=382)

[Winged_Wolf]

So, you think it is a fifth state of matter? (Or seventh, since we recently added 2 more).

(trying to glean the gist of that article to find out what 'bioplasma' is).

[Elliptic]

It's some kind of biochemical anomaly.

[Winged_Wolf]

Are you saying it's matter, then?

[Elliptic]

In the sense that absolutely everything is matter or energy in some form, yes.

[Winged_Wolf]

Yes, everything is either matter or energy. Are you saying that psi is, specifically, matter? I'm trying to clarify what you're talking about here, help me out.

[Elliptic]

I can't say it's matter, specifically. It's certainly a state of matter, or energy...it is something physical because it's generated by a physical process. And, of course, I'm only talking about Psi, not the other astral energies, etc.

[Winged_Wolf]

How is this different from assuming it is energy carried by an as-yet unknown particle? I'm trying to pin down a simple one-sentence definition for this theory.

[Elliptic]

I don't think simple one sentence definitions are possible right now. I think it's somewhere between a particle and a wave. It seems to demonstrate properties of both. It can hold a rigid form, which indicates particle, but it can travel through things, which indicates wave.

[Winged_Wolf]

So, a particle-wave similar to light? I have to say I concur, it does have a lot of EMR-like properties.
I'm not so sure about the magnetism-like properties though (its ability to form a standing field).

[Anazrieth]

I think it is intricately linked to Quantum physics.... there are particles which are wherever they are needed..... which form when the observer wants to see them... there are ways in the quantum spectrum of moving information from one place to another with no time between and no space.... perhaps this bio energy you speak of is our way of interacting with the quantum realm? of manipulating our enviroment?

[Nightshade]

i think that pk may be a form of electromagnetism. seeing as how everything has a charge, and we are moving the object (maybe through charges) it seems probable that at least pk is some sort of electromagnetism manipulation.

as for the rest of psi, maybe supernatural. i don't think we have enough research to denounce what psi IS. (i voted other.)

[Arkhaios]

I have a theory. Psi doesn't exist as a force, or physical phenomenon at all. It's not a particle or a wave, but is the conceptual representation of exchange between forces. More specifically, Psi is the translation factor between consciousness, the forces which perpetuate consciousness, and the forces which act on the world. The same energy that is used to move your muscles is the same type of energy as would be used by someone with psionic ability. Psi is a concept used to explain the nature of the interactions between thoughts and actions. Psi wouldn't be measurable under this theory, and the only way to quantify or define Psi, or even concieve of it's existence, is to first define the forces involved with an activity, and see how the forces are interacting.

For instance, our thoughts affect the molecular structure of water. How this happens would be defined by Psi, the study of Psi and the discipline of enhancing ones ability to work with energy Psionically. You could almost equate the word or character of Psi, and substitue it with the mathematical representation of change, delta, the triangle. The way the molecules respond to directed thoughts and emotions, would be defined by Psi, as an interpretation of exchanging energy which results in the change of molecular structure.

Even though EMR-like phenomenon occurs during the use of Psi, Psi is not defined by the measurement of those forces, such as voltage, pressure, heat, or electromagnetic charge. You can't say there is a certain amount of Psi charged in one area as if it were an electrical charge. The use of Psi does cause charge to build, but there is no actual Psi particle affecting other particles. Psi only exists when conscious awareness is directly, energetically interacting with the world through the bodily energy systems which exude electric/magnetic fields. Consciousness is what we do, awareness is what we are. Without consciousness, there would be no interactions or definitions of things, because awareness is a result of a chaotic system of infinite possible minimum/maximum mass.

Getting beyond that and putting my opinion more simply, I would say Psi is the syngergy of interacting forces, defining the unknown, or mysterious quality of the interaction. It is the interaction itself, and doesn't physically exist as a thing, but as an idea. The universe is made up of ideas...

[SuperGuy]

I'm not sure that I know what the energy is. However, my thoughts have always tended to believe that perhaps psi is where there are several webs of psionic energy that are interconnected creating a weave of energy that blankets everything. If you pull on just the right string of a web it will move another string and then another. I believe we may be able to control these conciously therefore doing things like pk.

[NoMad]

I'm sure it's a quantum particle that links everything to everything and allows all to exist at the same time(try reading stephan hawking's black holes and baby universes) personally it could be an as of yet discovered particle, or energy format, or something of that nature.

[Bobrobyn]

I don't subscribe to any theory. Not really. I make some basic assumptions, but I like to keep my mind open, mainly because people don't really know what psi energy (or any kind of energy used for energy work) actually is. Heck, there have been debates about whether it's physical or not.

I think any of the options mentioned above are possible, except:

"Psi is the result of the fact that everything in the universe is connected to everything else without regard for distance, therefore we can manipulate anything through that connection."

If that were true, PK would be a LOT easier, wouldn't it? Also, you'd think that reality would be easily manipulatable...period.

"Psi is a supernatural ability that cannot be scientifically explained at all."

I suppose it's possible, but I like to think that almost everything can be explained scientifically.

[WingedPower]

It sometimes seems like Psionic energy and the resulting psionic abilities(TK/PK/CLV/etc) is the result of aggregate quantum perturbment due to a buildup of bonded/paired quantum particles, resulting in the kinds of effects that "spooky" quantum particles exhibit.

By developing one's ability, perhaps one is really just accumulating more and more of these particles... or perhaps, having more and more of these particles within one's self or about one's self become bonded into such a state. Effectively creating a web of influence, through which one can exert their control/awareness. Like how a spider feels for the vibrations of an outside force on their webs.

The forces that can be exerted by quantum effects, such as near distance attraction of two non-charged surfaces, or the recently discovered repulsion of such force with meta-materials, can explain the ability of PK, given sufficient such particles bonded at a distance or range of distances, allowing one to control things within a given range of distances and exert force.

Perhaps having more associated/paired bonds allows one to stimulate the creation of arbitrary bonds with arbitrary quanta/particles, thus allowing one to have selective effect on things. Perhaps such a bond exists between the material body and the "ethereal body", and the flow of such bonded particles/states is the so-called chi/life force?

Who knows. :) But that is my current(of the minute), view of what psi/psionics might be.

WingedPower
aka Wing

[Shomti]

I believe it exists only on a different plane of existence that overlaps our physical plane, and therefore is not bound by the physical laws like gravity or inertia. Instead, any gravity felt by users of psi is merely them adding it subconsciously because they feel unusual with such a dense object that has no gravity or inertia. This second plane is possibly one of many, but maybe the only one that actually overlaps ours. In this second plane, things overlap so closely that one thing can influence another, like a blanket put over a block. If you move the blanket down onto the block and then in a horizontal direction, you will flip the block over. So that second plane is where our souls reside, from which they give instructions to our brain which sends movements to our muscles. And the way souls manipulate the brain is the same way they manipulate a different patch of energy somewhere else in the dimension; it's merely a little bit farther away, but no problem.

In short, I have no idea but I'm fairly sure there is a second realm within our own based on the chain of command within the body. The muscle is told to move by the nerve, the nerve gets its commands from the brain, but a brain is just chemicals and wouldn't do anything on its own. So, what gives the brain its orders? There's nothing physically that floats around our brains, so we must assume it is on a different plane of existence.

[thegrogen]

In short, I have no idea but I'm fairly sure there is a second realm within our own based on the chain of command within the body. The muscle is told to move by the nerve, the nerve gets its commands from the brain, but a brain is just chemicals and wouldn't do anything on its own.

You've never heard of an artificial neural network, have you? Or CAT scans, or chemical imbalances?

I've no way to prove this, but I had a thought the other day that goes something like this:

Assume that the universe is an encrypted file on a hard drive. All of the data that makes up the physical universe is in this file, encrypted using a specific file format and encryption scheme.

What we call the physical universe results from the method by which the universe "file" is decrypted. In other words, what we perceive to be the "physical plane" and the laws that are attached to it are based on how we view the datastream of the universe. We can make changes to this file (technically the file would be changing itself, since we're part of the universe ourselves), and when we use this encryption key to do so our actions have the results that match the way the physical "interpretation" works.

But there are many who perceive an "astral plane", on which some hypothesize take place events that would violate the laws of the physical plane. So what's the astral plane?

I propose that the astral plane is in fact the physical plane run through another "decryption algorithm", so that different results are obtained from the same data. It would be like running the phrase "d3289dfsji3289ujio43w8uerw89u" through one decryptor and getting "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", and running it through another one and getting "Please fondle my buttocks". This satisfies the requirement to be considered an "astral" plane; there are accounts of physical laws acting different, or not existing at all, in the astral plane, and if the universe was decrypted in an entirely different (perhaps opposite) way, naturally the laws of the universe would be different in this "interpretation".

But what does the "astral interpretation" have to do with psionics? If my hypothesis is correct, then it has EVERYTHING to do with psionics.

Given my own observations, we manipulate what we've come to term "psi energy" in a similar manner to matter. Therefore, on some level, it must be a form of matter, along with the other so-called "subtle energies", because true "energy" cannot be manipulated by matter except by exotic techniques which the human body and even our technology does not possess (i.e. spacetime warping). But psi clearly behaves like matter; we can move it around, we can condense it, we can "send" it, we can hit things and people with it, etc.

If the "astral interpretation" interprets the universe in an opposite fashion to the "physical interpretation", logically this means that matter and energy would be reversed; in the astral interpretation, matter would be energy and energy would be matter. Therefore, psi must be matter in the "astral interpretation", because it acts like matter when we use and sense it, and we can't find this matter on the physical interpretation. When we manipulate a subtle energy, we are really manipulating its matter-form in the "astral interpretation".

This would result in all manner of things we've observed with psionics; psi "energy" seems to affect electromagnetic phenomena because in a sense it IS electromagnetism - rather, it is the matter-form of electromagnetism. Telepathy might work by sending a "tendril" of psi-matter to a target mind (which would be represented in the astral interpretation as matter since our brains release energy as they make their computations), and using the tendril as a wire in a similar fashion to the old "tin cans and string" telephone; the activity in the brain (now manifested as psi-matter or perhaps life-matter in the astral plane) is transmitted via vibrations in the "tendril" back to the original mind, which interprets the vibrations coming over the tendril. The result would be recognizable thoughts or emotions in the original mind originating from the target mind. Healing might work by concentrating the matter-form of biochemical energy in the target's "astral body (or rather the pattern of energy-matter that is marked on the astral plane by the body's release of energy in its cells", resulting in higher energy levels in the target body and the food that is used to heal the body as well as provide energy to it being soley used for healing as the life-energy from the originator provides the energy to make the cells run. Of course, I'm not a biologist, so my idea of biochemistry might be completely wrong, but its fun to speculate.

That's one of the ways in which I see psi. It's the viewpoint that I use the most often, since its one that is the most useful for me. I'm still adding to my hypothesis (it is NOT a theory!) as I gather more evidence for and against it (haven't seen much that's against yet, though) and modifying it accordingly.

That's my perspective.

[DancingHerb]

Psi is consciousness, and the power over energy which that consciousness has

[jhud6403]

its hard to tell cause there to many theorys and not enough facts.
but if I had to guess electromagnetic

[ghost of thought]

I don't subscribe to any theory. Not really. I make some basic assumptions, but I like to keep my mind open, mainly because people don't really know what psi energy (or any kind of energy used for energy work) actually is. Heck, there have been debates about whether it's physical or not.

I think any of the options mentioned above are possible, except:

"Psi is the result of the fact that everything in the universe is connected to everything else without regard for distance, therefore we can manipulate anything through that connection."

If that were true, PK would be a LOT easier, wouldn't it? Also, you'd think that reality would be easily manipulatable...period.

"Psi is a supernatural ability that cannot be scientifically explained at all."

I suppose it's possible, but I like to think that almost everything can be explained scientifically.

yes except

what happens when someone is in a coma( stroke even) and they havnt moved for years they have to relearn how to move arms leg head etc. etc.
so what would happen if someone could not use there legs for lets say a minimum of ten years it takes time to build up and they might still not be the fastest runner on the block
and moving on to what i think it is i think it is the connection. i say this because of the quantum physics everything is connected by some sort of "energy" or there would be random vacuums ( like outer space) happening all over the world, yet even in outer space there is a thin line of energy due to gravity.,which is the attraction of energy due to every matter has electrons
"energy" and they want to come near to each other to try to become noble gases. it also explains how someone can use telepathy lets say in Ohio and connect with someone in North Karolina, or England. your jumping "energy" Psi and thoughts through already existing atoms that have electrons that have energy. this is how i see it but i am open to anyones opinion.

[Roagia]

I strongly believe its electromagnetic, which would be created by the electrical signals constantly flowing through the nervous system. I also think that there could be more, because electricity is an energy that is VERY easily converted to other energies, but I'm still working on that theory.

[miri]

I have yet to stumble across a flawless theory. Observationally speaking it's the interface for direct affectation by the mind, provided to varying extents by the natural dynamic of mind/body/life/(insert randomness here) with objective reality. It's not objectively quantifyable as there is no way to measure it without utter subjectivity, and attempts at scales are all so utterly arbitrary and inaccurate that they make no sense to use. So, I don't know what it is, but I have a sneaking suspiscion it's not matter, but some form of phenomenon which exists only in a relative form. I have a notehr sneaking suspiscion that it is not an electro magnetic phenomenon, which makes the first suspiscion somewhat more probable. *shrugs* Then again it could be some bizzare frequency range of nutrinos, hydrogen, or pineapples for all I know...

[nirvanic demon]

i define psi with these few words:"what this power is i cannot say,all that i know is that it exists!" -Alexander grhm bell-

[rabidxenomorph]

Maybe its both a particle and a wave combined. There are some things that we can't explain. So don't just think inside the box, think outside the box too. Remember how rules are made, someone had to make or break them before.

[NoMad]

It depends is Psi the same energy that can lift objects, help someone see into the future and assist in mind to mind communication? If so than whatever it is can both physically effect the world as well as carry information without having to abide by the laws of time and space. I'm starting to wonder if perhaps none of us are even in the ballpark of what Psi actually is.

[rabidxenomorph]

Now thats thinking inside and outside the box. Keep it up.

[kamontamura]

Gah, I messed up slightly on the answer, kinda misread the question...

I kinda subscribe to the Bioplasma theory myself, in the idea that psi as an energy form is some sort of particle generated by the nervous system. So that's like the first answer.

I wasn't thinking that when I selected the 4th answer though, as that answer gave me the image of energies touching each other and affecting each other. Which is what I believe the psi particles do that allows us to use Telepathy and such.

So mine's kind of a combination of #1 and #4, but since I can't select both, I messed up :P

[JamesW]

Personally, I look at psi as an extention, an extra arm and eyes.

It's beleived that when you move a body part, electrical impulses are at work. I beleive that you can take that same energy, and move it outside the body and use it, same as a limb. That's as simple as I can think it, and I guess it could be much deeper and complex, but that's how I look at it.

[flabbyguy]

I believe Psi is linked to our life force in some way, whether it be as a bi-product, or our life force itself. nobody truely knows.

[NoMad]

well, since non living things can emmit psi, then it probably doesn't have to be alive to produce the stuff.

[Shiningwolf]

Lamps emit light, Fire emits heat, We emit psi (which creates our aura), an energy that flows through us and is around us that we can learn to manipulate. Thats my theory, lol. I honestly don't think about this...its there, so im happy :)

[flabbyguy]

well, since non living things can emmit psi, then it probably doesn't have to be alive to produce the stuff.

okay.. it could possibly be due to psi floating around the place building up on these objects.. provided that my theory is true of course, but meh. who cares.. Psi is energy which we can manipulate, who cares? XD

[NoMad]

um, i do, lol, no but seriously been doing some major research, hope to make some headway in the what is psi question.

[Dragonsoultaker]

In Exoterism (dont know how to spell it) theres a kind of energy, prana, that surrounds all the universe and all things in it, and Humans can manipulate it (only a really tiny, smalliest part but enought to do incredible stuff). I think that what they call of psi is actually prana used for doing psiballs or TK or some other thing.

[Winged_Wolf]

Yes, psi appears to be produced when you combine electrostatic and magnetism in some way. Some refrigerators and air conditioning units produce it (mostly older ones), and Anka has some devices that generate it from wall or battery power. Electrical storms appear to generate psi as well.
And, of course, living things that have a nervous system generate it.

There are other types of subtle energies, that have different origins and different properties.

[notagh]

Psi is pure energy in such a form tha it lacks a particle.

All particle is formed by it's reaction with other dimensions.

It is so pure that it is actually a dimension, the 5th one. To read more about that, please read my post at
http://www.psionguild.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28620#post28620

[stubby bug]

i think that every thing is connected. the fact that somthing is all wase at a state like water or air or rock. it all depinds on the closenes and speed of matter. and tought can be chanled away from you becose of electral impulses all electricty makes magnitisom and thare could be super naturarl things like are spirit. i might also say that every enegry like electro mag or light is what we use trugh thought. but its base is emagation

[stubby bug]

oh and can it not be all of the obove.
plese explane this to me.
sorry if i sound blunt.

[notagh]

What?

I would say a mox of some of the above.

And the connection thing choice is quantum entanglement, but programming says naw...
I choose the QE though.

[Reaper]

The way I see it is, that perhaps psi is interconnected between two frequencies of reality. I'll relate this to TV.

On one channel you have different programs, colors, sounds, feelings conveyed, etc. All these things can be seen as the reality you and I live by. Now, if you flip to another channel on TV, you'll see a couple of things changed. The same can be said for reality the only difference is that some physical properties of energy and matter change as you go up or down a couple of frequencies.

Remember, what I've just said is merely a hypothesis of my own. Coming is the CERN project in which an experiment will be held on Sept. 9th (I could be wrong) of 2008. This experiment will determine the existence of dimensions as well as frequencies of reality. So, until that experiment has been made and results are released, I say what I say as a hypothesis to be thought about. Heck....with this experiment coming, I'm anxious to see what happens......

[NeverMore]

i believe that it's a form of electromagnetism that the body projects which would explain why it can be used to create other types of energy like heat, light, and kinetic energy, as it takes energy for matter to be converted into energy but (as far as i know, and i don't know much about physics, i could be mistaken in what i type regarding to physics, if so, please correct me) energy can be converted into other forms of energy without needing another sort of energy to cause this, also explains why it can travel seemingly instantly, as light is the fastest thing in the universe and is a wave it seems more probable to me that another unexplored type of wave moves just under that speed rather than some type of particle. a typical argument against this would be that since psi can form static things it can't be a wave, however i believe that psi never actually does form something static but merely moves so fast in a specific patter at times, that it can appear solid since we haven't come up with a reliable way to actually observe psi moving we can't know that i am not correct in this last claim. this is just what seems most likely to me, but i am open-minded and love to be proven wrong so please do just that

[Redregon]

oh geez, pulling out the big guns...

well, i haven't given it much thought, but i think it's more a form of energy that's either created directly or is a byproduct of the body's operation... either through thoughts, instincts, glandular workings (Endocrine, Adrenaline, etc.) wether it extends through all planes or not is difficult to say either way as i would like there to be much more research into it before i'd place my chips on any thory...

i guess all i can say is that it is there because i can feel it and sense it (and working on learning how to use it.) until i know more, i don't think i could explain it or really give it much of a definition.

besides, if i were to theorize something and truly believe it, what if it was disproven at a later time? i guess what i'm saying is that i am ignorant to what it exactly is but this ignorance is blissful (and doesn't affect how i use it atm.)

[Mec]

In my opinion psi is just a name for energy when it reacts to thought. Still in debate about what it is produced by. It seems to have a maximum speed at light-speed and it follows other rules like entropy and able to contain thought.

[mr.odd]

as light is the fastest thing in the universe

Actually, there is a particle called a tacheon(pronounced tak-ee-on) that that does go faster than the speed of light. The only catch is that it can't go slower than light.

[javaylen]

I believe psi to be an electromagnetic phenomena that can be "programmed" by the constant supervision and control of the subconscious.

[psionide]

I believe Psi to be a subtle form of mass-energy from which certain elements of electro-chemical reactions of certain biological processes are converted. The only such biological process I am currently aware of is nerve firing. As Psionic activity tires people out and lowers their blood sugar, I believe that whichever electro-chemical process that produces Psi is energy-intensive in terms of the amount of glucose it consumes if indeed it is a single reaction. The complexity of neuro-chemical reactions, coupled with the infinite number of frequencies of Psi energy suggests that different reactions produce different frequencies of energy. I cannot confirm this though, as my skill in Energy Manipulation, as well as my knowledge of the human nervous system, is currently infantile, to be self-flattering.

Barring the falseness of the above premises, I would remain convinced that Psi is both produced and affected by the nervous system, as well as itself, and also affects the nervous system. To explain I'll use what I have affectionately (excuse the pun) come to call the Crap Analogy: A guy takes a crap and hence produces a stools of crap. As he produces each successive stool, the previous stool is flattened or deformed by the consecutive stool that falls onto it. Furthermore, the stools stink and the guy can smell them. Thus the crap affects itself and its creator. This is my explanation for my own Crap Theory of Psi. (Once again, excuse the pun)

[javaylen]

In my opinion psi is just a name for energy when it reacts to thought. Still in debate about what it is produced by. It seems to have a maximum speed at light-speed and it follows other rules like entropy and able to contain thought. no, it
only has that kind of constraint because you cannot imagine speeds that intense. To prove my point, imagine a solid sound at a low pitch and have it increase in pitch as much as you can. Imagination does in fact have limits(omg!! Something else for my sig)

[ChaosAngel]

Actually, there is a particle called a tacheon(pronounced tak-ee-on) that that does go faster than the speed of light. The only catch is that it can't go slower than light.

WHat?! but that defies everything I know about mathematical physics and what not

ok, so I really don't study that kind of thing nor really know what I am talking about if I ever talk about physics but it really surprises me and confuses everything I know about the topic
I am interested in someday intensively studying physics and one day building a mechanism that can pull apart space just to find out where this whole would go to! NOBODY GO STEALING THIS IDEA 'CAUSE I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN... really just to find out how you did it and where it goes, and to thank you for doing it for me and not making me go through years of school to find this answer

[ChaosAngel]

I really wish that we could change our answers after awhile to questions like this... our ideas do change after so long

[mikelj84606]

Also Mr. Odd a thing to note about Tacheon(sp) is that it goes slow enough to detect only when it is first made and than just before its energy is consumed and it dies. Tacheon(sp) therefore only exists in this un see able state and nothing can ever be found more on it than that it exists. so that isnt truly a way to explain quatum Physics as part of Psionics

[Pat McDonald]

I would partially agree with all but 2 of the explanations. So I reckon that;-

1) Psi is an energy similar to other physical energies, and we need merely find the particle that carries it. (However, we may well find that our current knowledge of known physical energies needs revising).

2) Psi involves manipulation of quantum probabilities. (Or rather, manipulation on the quantum level, which includes probabilities).

3) Psi is the result of the fact that everything in the universe is connected to everything else without regard for distance, therefore we can manipulate anything through that connection. (even if the other end of the connection isn't interested - in fact, that helps).

4) Psi is a supernatural ability that cannot be scientifically explained at all. (Science needs a little revising to understand that different outcomes can result from experiments are physically identical but differ on a psionic level - biological matter has different properties to inorganic matter).

[TachyonXV]

3 - 5 are all valid maybe

[falloutboyfan182]

i think that pk may be a form of electromagnetism. seeing as how everything has a charge, and we are moving the object (maybe through charges) it seems probable that at least pk is some sort of electromagnetism manipulation.

as for the rest of psi, maybe supernatural. i don't think we have enough research to denounce what psi IS. (i voted other.)

I have heard the electromagnetism theory debunked before, but I do agree with the what psi is part.