Can you prove that love exists?

[johngault22]

The title of this thread is my argument to people who say can you prove that psi exists. My feeling is that when we prove love or psi exists we will be a lot closer to proving that the other one exists.

If that makes sense. :lol:

[Winged_Wolf]

First, define "love" :D.

[johngault22]

AH! :D

[Bobrobyn]

One could simply look at the hormonal responses humans, and animals, can have for one another...so yes, it really depends on your definition, because love can also apply to loving your friends, family, not just your "love" for your girlfriend(or boyfriend...or whatever) :-P

~Bob

[ANKA, Master Psion]

And why not hate then John?

[johngault22]

you could use hate as an example as well but the common one in this sort of debate is Love, besides it is a nicer example.

[whiteraven]

only because it's considered more socially acceptable. In my opinion negative emotions are just as much part of being human as positive ones, though some may disagree.

and this argument is worthless, seeing as love is an emotion, and therefore felt, thus it must exist. It's like asking, can you prove that happiness exists? um, have you ever been happy? if the answer is yes, then happiness must indeed exist.

[Winged_Wolf]

Yes, and you can pinpoint the activity in the brain that generates these emotions.

Pinpointing activity in the brain responsible for psi has proven much more difficult.

[Athlete]

Yes, in fact, scientists have proven that the hormones in human body responsible for love emotions are only active for some 7 years or so (I doun't recall the right count, but I think it was something around that).

[Ancient_Arcane]

The title of this thread is my argument to people who say can you prove that psi exists. My feeling is that when we prove love or psi exists we will be a lot closer to proving that the other one exists.

If that makes sense. :lol:

Anyone need a demo of the existence of Love, ... interact with my energies for a bit.

*smiles innocently*

-Arcane

[Winged_Wolf]

Behave Yerself. :P

[thegrogen]

Anyone need a demo of the existence of Love, ... interact with my energies for a bit.

*smiles innocently*

-Arcane

*facepalm*

[NoMad]

hmm, considering that the last time i interacted with arcane i went total non, lol, i'm not quite sure if i'd say AA energy = love for me, but meh. lol

[thegrogen]

hmm, considering that the last time i interacted with arcane i went total non, lol, i'm not quite sure if i'd say AA energy = love for me, but meh. lol

Complete opposite for me. O_o

[NoMad]

he has weird latent programming in his energy, though i did notice several crazy huge spikes in my energy systems that would putter off around ten minutes later leaving me nonish again. though, i gotta say, never felt better during those five minutes. lol

[thegrogen]

he has weird latent programming in his energy, though i did notice several crazy huge spikes in my energy systems that would putter off around ten minutes later leaving me nonish again. though, i gotta say, never felt better during those five minutes. lol

Odd, I never saw effects like that. I just got stronger. And then that weird "attack" hit me.

[Dae]

. . .
That was a pickup line. A freaky, psychic pickup line.
I wouldn't mind playing around with his energy, though. From what I hear, it's quite intriguing.

[Nightshade]

Yes, in fact, scientists have proven that the hormones in human body responsible for love emotions are only active for some 7 years or so (I doun't recall the right count, but I think it was something around that).


Love is quite an ambiguous emotion in the sense that what these hormones could be responsible for are infatuation, attraction, sexual arousal, ect...

Proving love becomes much harder when one considers the various types of love: plutonic, consumate, romantic, passionant, ect...

What I'm getting at, is let's say researchers discover that hormone X is more active in the brain during a "love" stimulus on the participant. Well, depending on the stimulus, the "love" could be many different things.

For example, a picture of his wife could be love, but it could also be happiness or sexual arousal. A picture of his daughter could be love, or it could be happiness as well. A picture of a high school crush could be infatuation. Since there are so many different definitions of love, and so many different types of love, proving it or disproving it are nearly impossible.

Pinpointing cerebral regions is faulty as well, since you aren't pinpointing the emotion, you are pinpointing the physiological response concerning the emotion...but then we're back to where we started with the different types/definitions of love.

Also, love is more of a concept than an emotion. You may "feel" love, but you are actually associating the concept of love with what aroused the "feeling." Much like the concept of time; we can measure time so it must exist right? Well, if that's true, then that would mean that time didn't exist before man starting measuring it. You could argue that the passage of the sun (marking day and night) proved that time existed, which relates to the physiological responses in the brain regarding love. However, all that the passage of the sun proved was either the sun moved around the earth, or the earth around the sun. That doesn't prove that time exists.

The main reason why all the other emotions don't fall into the same list as love is because there is a clear understanding of what these emotions are. None of them can qualify as other emotions, they aren't ambiguous.

Take this example. If I were to say, "I'm sad," you know what that means. If I said, "I'm angry," you know what that means as well. If I said, "I"m in love," there is some confusion there. Some of you would associate happiness, while others would associate carring. Still, others would associate passion or attraction.

The only reason why we can't prove or deny the existance of love is because no one can agree on what it actually is. Is it an emotion, or a concept? Which kind of love (refer to above examples) is the "true love?"

Due to the fact that no one can agree on what it is, this makes love an unknown. And since unknowns can neither be proven or denied, this means that love can neither be proven or denied. It neither exists, or doesn't exist. It is just there.

Sorry for the long post, I sort of went on a typing spree meddled with my thoughts. So........theres my 50 cents lol

[Winged_Wolf]

Plutonic. *giggle*

You do realize that this entire discussion on love has to do with using it as a metaphor for psi, right?

[stolide]

I'm guessing he didn't...

[NoMad]

maybe his long post was also a metaphor for psi, since in the same since psi to one person is something different to another. ei. for me psi is the stuff i use when practicing psionics, psionics is me doing things of a sort of paranormal nature, paranormal being yet to be explained by science, therefore having nothing to do with my own concept of spirituality. while in another since psi to one could be just referring to say, precognitive dreams, which some would say are god giving you prophecies.

[Nightshade]

Thank you Nomad, you understood what I was saying which is good because I forgot to add a last paragraph tying them together....I knew I forgot something lol

Yes, my post was a metaphor that was attempting to show that neither psi nor love can be disproven until more substantial knowledge is gathered for each.

I was so intrigued by the love aspect of the question that I decided to concentrate on that but try to relate it towards psionics as well. Also, since the question was referring to both psionics and love, I assumed that by talking about love people would understand that I was talking about both.

Lovely contribution stolide :P

[stolide]

:P

In any case it was an interesting post...

[Amaya]

Love exists: I haven't killed my children.

[Amaya]

and FX pipes in: I'm still alive too.

[WTVelocity]

For psi: you just show it, so long as you no that person isnt from a government agency or whatnot.

Love: You just know. Yes, love is a relative term. But can you know you care for someone? It's a deeper form of caring. Then there is the hormonal love.

In the end: similar to what Morpheus from the matrix said: "How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

Love is you receiving electrical signals from an event or circumstance and its triggering of certain feelings.
Psi is you triggering sending electrical signals triggering an event or circumstance.

It is actually a matter of positive and negative of sorts. Compare this to electricity. You can think of psionics to be a ground (positive), and energy to be the source (negative).
Electricity flows negative to positive.

Love is just another feeling. You may never feel it, thus never understand it, but just because you never seen an 8-volt batter, it still exists.

Love is just another feeling, another emotion that drives us.
Psi is just another action that we can take.