Winged_Wolf
03-23-2007, 05:29 AM
As our original poll has been lost, I am reposting the thread, but will create a new thread at a later date to address this question again. :)
04-13-2006, 02:24 AM
Which psionics theory do you personally favor?
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 02:32 AM
See here (http://www.psionguild.org/psionguildforum/viewtopic.php?t=382)
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 02:44 AM
So, you think it is a fifth state of matter? (Or seventh, since we recently added 2 more).
(trying to glean the gist of that article to find out what 'bioplasma' is).
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 03:04 AM
It's some kind of biochemical anomaly.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 03:19 AM
Are you saying it's matter, then?
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 03:24 AM
In the sense that absolutely everything is matter or energy in some form, yes.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 03:50 AM
Yes, everything is either matter or energy. Are you saying that psi is, specifically, matter? I'm trying to clarify what you're talking about here, help me out.
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 04:05 AM
I can't say it's matter, specifically. It's certainly a state of matter, or energy...it is something physical because it's generated by a physical process. And, of course, I'm only talking about Psi, not the other astral energies, etc.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 04:19 AM
How is this different from assuming it is energy carried by an as-yet unknown particle? I'm trying to pin down a simple one-sentence definition for this theory.
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 05:00 AM
I don't think simple one sentence definitions are possible right now. I think it's somewhere between a particle and a wave. It seems to demonstrate properties of both. It can hold a rigid form, which indicates particle, but it can travel through things, which indicates wave.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 03:24 PM
So, a particle-wave similar to light? I have to say I concur, it does have a lot of EMR-like properties.
I'm not so sure about the magnetism-like properties though (its ability to form a standing field).
Anazrieth
04-14-2006, 12:09 AM
I think it is intricately linked to Quantum physics.... there are particles which are wherever they are needed..... which form when the observer wants to see them... there are ways in the quantum spectrum of moving information from one place to another with no time between and no space.... perhaps this bio energy you speak of is our way of interacting with the quantum realm? of manipulating our enviroment?
Nightshade
05-04-2006, 10:46 PM
i think that pk may be a form of electromagnetism. seeing as how everything has a charge, and we are moving the object (maybe through charges) it seems probable that at least pk is some sort of electromagnetism manipulation.
as for the rest of psi, maybe supernatural. i don't think we have enough research to denounce what psi IS. (i voted other.)
Arkhaios
05-10-2006, 10:49 PM
I have a theory. Psi doesn't exist as a force, or physical phenomenon at all. It's not a particle or a wave, but is the conceptual representation of exchange between forces. More specifically, Psi is the translation factor between consciousness, the forces which perpetuate consciousness, and the forces which act on the world. The same energy that is used to move your muscles is the same type of energy as would be used by someone with psionic ability. Psi is a concept used to explain the nature of the interactions between thoughts and actions. Psi wouldn't be measurable under this theory, and the only way to quantify or define Psi, or even concieve of it's existence, is to first define the forces involved with an activity, and see how the forces are interacting.
For instance, our thoughts affect the molecular structure of water. How this happens would be defined by Psi, the study of Psi and the discipline of enhancing ones ability to work with energy Psionically. You could almost equate the word or character of Psi, and substitue it with the mathematical representation of change, delta, the triangle. The way the molecules respond to directed thoughts and emotions, would be defined by Psi, as an interpretation of exchanging energy which results in the change of molecular structure.
Even though EMR-like phenomenon occurs during the use of Psi, Psi is not defined by the measurement of those forces, such as voltage, pressure, heat, or electromagnetic charge. You can't say there is a certain amount of Psi charged in one area as if it were an electrical charge. The use of Psi does cause charge to build, but there is no actual Psi particle affecting other particles. Psi only exists when conscious awareness is directly, energetically interacting with the world through the bodily energy systems which exude electric/magnetic fields. Consciousness is what we do, awareness is what we are. Without consciousness, there would be no interactions or definitions of things, because awareness is a result of a chaotic system of infinite possible minimum/maximum mass.
Getting beyond that and putting my opinion more simply, I would say Psi is the syngergy of interacting forces, defining the unknown, or mysterious quality of the interaction. It is the interaction itself, and doesn't physically exist as a thing, but as an idea. The universe is made up of ideas...
SuperGuy
06-04-2006, 02:52 AM
I'm not sure that I know what the energy is. However, my thoughts have always tended to believe that perhaps psi is where there are several webs of psionic energy that are interconnected creating a weave of energy that blankets everything. If you pull on just the right string of a web it will move another string and then another. I believe we may be able to control these conciously therefore doing things like pk.
Bookhermit
06-26-2006, 08:29 AM
I'm tempted to answer that it's mystical/spiritual and can't be explained at all by science, but it may be that eventually (in the long, long, long run) a way to treat it as a science will be found.
Such things as quantum entanglement, electromagnetics, and unknown particles may provide a way for psi to manifest its results, but they come no where close to providing a true mechanism. The simple fact is that thought itself appears to impose structure on some kind of shadow universe/multiverse that aware minds can sense. The structures thus formed can lead to physical effects in ways we have yet to clarify. Living neural systems appear to be the primary linking points, but there is strong evidence for other types of possible links.
Elliptic
06-26-2006, 08:33 AM
I see no reason to create an unnecessary false dichotomy between mysticism/spiritualism and science. Too many times do I see people say "this is religious, and therefore not scientific," or "this is scientific, therefore it is unreligious." I fail to see why the scientific process cannot be applied (with due reverence) to that which is mystical, or why that which is spiritual must for some reason be something more than physical reality.
Bobrobyn
06-26-2006, 08:36 AM
I really don't know what psi is...I don't subscribe to one particular theory. I tend to favour the guilds theories, mixed with some other stuff I read and of my own theories/experiences. However, my beliefs tend to be malleable.
Vernand
06-26-2006, 12:53 PM
I dunno. I've experienced a lot of stuff in my time. Although all of that stuff is meaningless here, because I've got no way to really back up what I say. All I've got is what I can remember, and memories are in no way proof. All they really ammount to is a personal truth.
But I remember experiencing things a lot like psi, and I've encountered a lot of energy working.
Personally, and it's just my opinion, but I think that the psionic phenomena is an unusual quirk of evolution which is allowing humanity greater access to the universe and all of its subset realities.
johnclarklanglie
06-26-2006, 11:08 PM
Personally, I dont think it really matters what Psi is, or how it interacts with other things. The only important thing is that it is a natural aspects of human existance that has, for far to long, been disregarded as nothing more than some plot element for a science fiction novel.
Winged_Wolf
06-26-2006, 11:51 PM
I tend to disagree. It's of no use if it can't be controlled and explored, and we need to know how it interacts with other things to fully explore it.
Sekkome
07-29-2006, 12:25 AM
personally i belive psi is simply applyable energy of the mind, i cant really explain it, nor do i care to..
Nightshade
08-10-2006, 02:35 AM
I believe it depends on what you are doing. With psychokinesis, I think it closely ties to some sort of natural electromagnetic field that we can consicously (sp?) and willingly manipulate.
With telepathy, well...I'm not too sure, but *food for thought* it could be simmilar to radio waves. We project these waves into peoples heads and read the feed back of the reflected waves. When we broadcast or send, we are just sending our thoughts along a radio wave that has yet to be discovered or understood.
Energy manipulation, I believe this is closely tied to some sort of spiritual energy of some sort. The only reason I don't link it to my "psychokinesis theory" is because of the programing of constructs. It is more plausible (in my opinion) that you can program spiritual energy than electric.
I haven't done any (ANY) research to back up my claims, but this is what makes sense for me, so it's what I believe. But, I also believe there is a possiblility that psi is a 7th state of matter.
Bladesman
08-13-2006, 11:04 AM
Personal theory is there is no psi, it's just another way of focusing the mind to do something. At least, thats as close to how I can explain it in words...Either everything is psi, or nothing is../shrug
Jeffro
08-13-2006, 04:00 PM
I think psionics is some kind of energy your emotions and will produce.
Bennu666
09-27-2006, 06:35 AM
Hello, I'm new and have just spent hours reading many of the posts in the forums and decided to finally "say" something in this one.
Psi, to my mind, experience, sense, feelings, process and developed practice, is an energy type that is moved by the mind and regulated by the nervous system, skin, meridians and chakras (not just the prime seven). Now how it is "generated" is not a satisfying answer to me. Especially from what I read and research in books and online compared to what I do on instict and natural reflex. It is seemingly generated spontaneously or by some techniques I have adapted when I want to practice experiencing the feel and "touch" and patterns of psi, so that I can examine it more closely. It's always available in abundance and stays constantly at the top of my concious awareness all the time. So I feel it's everywhere or it's potential is. But physics teaches us energy cannot be created only changed, so what process allows us to create psi and/or produce it and from where? We eat to digest and process chemical energy. So what is processed for psi? This is why I say all of the above. I lean towards the T.O.E. or "Theory Of Everything" and the so called "Unified Field" theory. What if we are biologically processing the ambient energies around us and as psions able to convert that energy to our specific genetic needs just as a tree converts carbon monoxide to the "nutrients" they need. Some may argue we don't need psi to live, but is that true for those of us who remember their first spontaneous psi-ball or clairvoyant experience in the same class as their first step and solid food?
I feel it could very well be part of the EMF specturm just on a frequency or wave we haven't the tech yet to measure effectively save through human experience. However parapsychologist are using EMR meters to read paranormal activity in concert with a psychic on investigations, what is the connection there? I'm also interested in the SOEF school of thought on Subtle Organized Energy Fields which supports a particle theory.
Okay, I guess for a newbie I sure babble a lot huh? but just my 2 and my attempt to participate in the conversation.
B
Winged_Wolf
09-27-2006, 06:52 AM
Because I deliberately block ambient energy and prevent it from contaminating my system. :P
Bennu666
09-28-2006, 01:25 AM
I definately can understand that, I really don't leave myself open either, you never know what your taking in while out in an uncontrolled environment.
It's more of a thought on possible energy relationships if any.
Winged_Wolf
09-28-2006, 02:57 AM
My point was, I feel it's unlikely I'm converting subtle energies from the ambient into psi, because I make a point to keep ambient subtle energies out of my system completely. And I generate quite a lot of psi.
Bennu666
09-29-2006, 02:48 AM
I did pick that point up already.
Bennu666
09-30-2006, 02:20 AM
My point was, I feel it's unlikely I'm converting subtle energies from the ambient into psi, because I make a point to keep ambient subtle energies out of my system completely. And I generate quite a lot of psi.
Hi WW, I hope you realize that I really did understand what you meant, wasn't trying to be cute or anything.
I also genuinely have been pondering seriously this question everyday since. I have been experimenting. After finishing four years of study for a mundane degree, I'm back to my esoteric practice and studies without mundane distractions. I went back to the Psion Guild's section on energy types and I understand how psi is an internal energy type versus an external energy type. I tend to generate a lot of psi too.
So I guess my reason for this reply is that you struck a chord with me. I do shielding and other techniques I picked up from you and Anka on the PG site. But not conciously keep other ambient subtle energies out. I simply just used them. I'm going to experiment on doing what you do and see if there is a difference to me as far as making sure it's pure versus tapping Earth, quantum, etc., as I do with other systems of pratice like Withcraft, Reiki, CM, etc. I am pretty healthy and young looking for my age and rarely get sick and I have also have healed others with through energy work too. So now I'm curious, if there is an "upswing" on the "quality" of psi I produce.
Thanks =)
Winged_Wolf
09-30-2006, 05:32 AM
Give it a few weeks to a couple of months for your system to adjust, and definitely keep us updated! :)
Bennu666
10-01-2006, 05:57 AM
definately I will do that =)
Bennu666
12-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Give it a few weeks to a couple of months for your system to adjust, and definitely keep us updated! :)
Just wanted to post this since I said I would three months ago when I started out on this forum. It will be about 3 months next Wednesday that I started testing, using and working with psi excusively according to the Guild’s theories on the benefits of using only internally derived energy types of psi-energy. Even though I have worked with other energy types for several years, it did not take me long to attune my system and work within the perimeters of generating energy that I can produce myself. I’m comfortable with the use of this energy type just as well as I have been in the past with any magic system, subtle energy manipulations or other related practices.
Observations:
Noticeably my mediations have become more “pleasurable” and charging is something I like doing. I practiced shielding and psionic constructs each and everyday with psi alone and it really is different. The shields and other constructs have more sensation and texture and their patterns are visible to me. When looking at my skin I can see a white glow which becomes more yellowish and sometimes orange-gold, then further out blue. The pattern seems to be like static and flows outwards like waves. My charges tingle and yet have even more concentrated fluxes in areas that seem more localized. For instance when gather psi to my head I can feel it all over but the strongest sensation is the top of the head towards the front, just spilling over onto the forehead.
I like making simple constructs like psi-balls with one hand as this seems be more “visible” to me this way. The tips of my fingers tingle and the same yellowish pattern flows into the shape I want. I notice that towards the constructs center is a sort of bluish center that radiates out to the yellow. My cats and partner have been able to verify pinging and construct movement (pushing the psi-ball across the floor for the kitties). People also stare a lot especially on trains. Since I’m always “online” I use the time and energy to practice as often and as best I can. So any strangers who are sensitive’s are probably, I hope, seeing my shields or rotating constructs. I do not scan anyone; okay maybe surface scans when I catch them staring, just to see if they are psionist then can I detect one? Maybe not yet…But I always catch the person looking.
Skill sets and changes?
Lucid Dreaming seems to be even better then before. The actual manipulation of energy in itself is pretty much the same as I’ve always done. But it’s like with anything you take on fresh; you are bound to slip once in a while, like my discharge incident last month. Shifting to internal psi-energy alone is an adjustment, no doubt about it. I have always been able to make an EMF meter move but now I have been able to make it go off occasionally especially after a good meditation session. I set it near me and when I reach the “height” of the alpha state it goes off when I get near it. TK practice is at a minimum at this time. But I hope to develop that better as I move on. Sensing has also increased nicely especially thoughts. This is my favorite as it’s fun and amazing to know what one will say or do before they do. Precognitive and Retro cognitive skills are there too. I’m not at phenomenon class but it is okay with me as is. I’m not looking too see too far ahead on things I don’t want to know.
So far…
So what is psi to me? Is it an internal energy that my nervous system produces? It seems to me after three months to be related to a form of electromagnetism that the body is able to produce and is similar to other physical energies. I’m also thinking particles because of how the patterns that I perceive look and move. This energy has always been visible to me but I have not ever tried to place a name to it and would like to see if others have similar observations or other theories. If it is another energy type then I would like to still investigate it since it is how I’m seeing energy and even when I try to read signatures and auras this pattern and spectrum of colors forms first. It has a light feel and loose like fire and when controlled and manipulated a flowing wave and this is when the pattern starts to add the blue hue. The tactile sensations are statically charged and a lot like if you move towards a TV screen after it’s been on awhile and the static buildup is there. It is tangible and a force that slightly pushes back. When charging, the energy feels the same. When I want to really juice up I will create/sense/feel arcs of energy like bolts of lighting shooting from one limb to the other or up my spine to my head. This seems to work a lot and sort of helps me agree that it is electromagnetically related.
Any thoughts for or against are welcomed. But I can honestly say this really works for me and I may never go back to any other energy type.
Thanks
B
04-13-2006, 02:24 AM
Which psionics theory do you personally favor?
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 02:32 AM
See here (http://www.psionguild.org/psionguildforum/viewtopic.php?t=382)
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 02:44 AM
So, you think it is a fifth state of matter? (Or seventh, since we recently added 2 more).
(trying to glean the gist of that article to find out what 'bioplasma' is).
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 03:04 AM
It's some kind of biochemical anomaly.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 03:19 AM
Are you saying it's matter, then?
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 03:24 AM
In the sense that absolutely everything is matter or energy in some form, yes.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 03:50 AM
Yes, everything is either matter or energy. Are you saying that psi is, specifically, matter? I'm trying to clarify what you're talking about here, help me out.
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 04:05 AM
I can't say it's matter, specifically. It's certainly a state of matter, or energy...it is something physical because it's generated by a physical process. And, of course, I'm only talking about Psi, not the other astral energies, etc.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 04:19 AM
How is this different from assuming it is energy carried by an as-yet unknown particle? I'm trying to pin down a simple one-sentence definition for this theory.
Elliptic
04-13-2006, 05:00 AM
I don't think simple one sentence definitions are possible right now. I think it's somewhere between a particle and a wave. It seems to demonstrate properties of both. It can hold a rigid form, which indicates particle, but it can travel through things, which indicates wave.
Winged_Wolf
04-13-2006, 03:24 PM
So, a particle-wave similar to light? I have to say I concur, it does have a lot of EMR-like properties.
I'm not so sure about the magnetism-like properties though (its ability to form a standing field).
Anazrieth
04-14-2006, 12:09 AM
I think it is intricately linked to Quantum physics.... there are particles which are wherever they are needed..... which form when the observer wants to see them... there are ways in the quantum spectrum of moving information from one place to another with no time between and no space.... perhaps this bio energy you speak of is our way of interacting with the quantum realm? of manipulating our enviroment?
Nightshade
05-04-2006, 10:46 PM
i think that pk may be a form of electromagnetism. seeing as how everything has a charge, and we are moving the object (maybe through charges) it seems probable that at least pk is some sort of electromagnetism manipulation.
as for the rest of psi, maybe supernatural. i don't think we have enough research to denounce what psi IS. (i voted other.)
Arkhaios
05-10-2006, 10:49 PM
I have a theory. Psi doesn't exist as a force, or physical phenomenon at all. It's not a particle or a wave, but is the conceptual representation of exchange between forces. More specifically, Psi is the translation factor between consciousness, the forces which perpetuate consciousness, and the forces which act on the world. The same energy that is used to move your muscles is the same type of energy as would be used by someone with psionic ability. Psi is a concept used to explain the nature of the interactions between thoughts and actions. Psi wouldn't be measurable under this theory, and the only way to quantify or define Psi, or even concieve of it's existence, is to first define the forces involved with an activity, and see how the forces are interacting.
For instance, our thoughts affect the molecular structure of water. How this happens would be defined by Psi, the study of Psi and the discipline of enhancing ones ability to work with energy Psionically. You could almost equate the word or character of Psi, and substitue it with the mathematical representation of change, delta, the triangle. The way the molecules respond to directed thoughts and emotions, would be defined by Psi, as an interpretation of exchanging energy which results in the change of molecular structure.
Even though EMR-like phenomenon occurs during the use of Psi, Psi is not defined by the measurement of those forces, such as voltage, pressure, heat, or electromagnetic charge. You can't say there is a certain amount of Psi charged in one area as if it were an electrical charge. The use of Psi does cause charge to build, but there is no actual Psi particle affecting other particles. Psi only exists when conscious awareness is directly, energetically interacting with the world through the bodily energy systems which exude electric/magnetic fields. Consciousness is what we do, awareness is what we are. Without consciousness, there would be no interactions or definitions of things, because awareness is a result of a chaotic system of infinite possible minimum/maximum mass.
Getting beyond that and putting my opinion more simply, I would say Psi is the syngergy of interacting forces, defining the unknown, or mysterious quality of the interaction. It is the interaction itself, and doesn't physically exist as a thing, but as an idea. The universe is made up of ideas...
SuperGuy
06-04-2006, 02:52 AM
I'm not sure that I know what the energy is. However, my thoughts have always tended to believe that perhaps psi is where there are several webs of psionic energy that are interconnected creating a weave of energy that blankets everything. If you pull on just the right string of a web it will move another string and then another. I believe we may be able to control these conciously therefore doing things like pk.
Bookhermit
06-26-2006, 08:29 AM
I'm tempted to answer that it's mystical/spiritual and can't be explained at all by science, but it may be that eventually (in the long, long, long run) a way to treat it as a science will be found.
Such things as quantum entanglement, electromagnetics, and unknown particles may provide a way for psi to manifest its results, but they come no where close to providing a true mechanism. The simple fact is that thought itself appears to impose structure on some kind of shadow universe/multiverse that aware minds can sense. The structures thus formed can lead to physical effects in ways we have yet to clarify. Living neural systems appear to be the primary linking points, but there is strong evidence for other types of possible links.
Elliptic
06-26-2006, 08:33 AM
I see no reason to create an unnecessary false dichotomy between mysticism/spiritualism and science. Too many times do I see people say "this is religious, and therefore not scientific," or "this is scientific, therefore it is unreligious." I fail to see why the scientific process cannot be applied (with due reverence) to that which is mystical, or why that which is spiritual must for some reason be something more than physical reality.
Bobrobyn
06-26-2006, 08:36 AM
I really don't know what psi is...I don't subscribe to one particular theory. I tend to favour the guilds theories, mixed with some other stuff I read and of my own theories/experiences. However, my beliefs tend to be malleable.
Vernand
06-26-2006, 12:53 PM
I dunno. I've experienced a lot of stuff in my time. Although all of that stuff is meaningless here, because I've got no way to really back up what I say. All I've got is what I can remember, and memories are in no way proof. All they really ammount to is a personal truth.
But I remember experiencing things a lot like psi, and I've encountered a lot of energy working.
Personally, and it's just my opinion, but I think that the psionic phenomena is an unusual quirk of evolution which is allowing humanity greater access to the universe and all of its subset realities.
johnclarklanglie
06-26-2006, 11:08 PM
Personally, I dont think it really matters what Psi is, or how it interacts with other things. The only important thing is that it is a natural aspects of human existance that has, for far to long, been disregarded as nothing more than some plot element for a science fiction novel.
Winged_Wolf
06-26-2006, 11:51 PM
I tend to disagree. It's of no use if it can't be controlled and explored, and we need to know how it interacts with other things to fully explore it.
Sekkome
07-29-2006, 12:25 AM
personally i belive psi is simply applyable energy of the mind, i cant really explain it, nor do i care to..
Nightshade
08-10-2006, 02:35 AM
I believe it depends on what you are doing. With psychokinesis, I think it closely ties to some sort of natural electromagnetic field that we can consicously (sp?) and willingly manipulate.
With telepathy, well...I'm not too sure, but *food for thought* it could be simmilar to radio waves. We project these waves into peoples heads and read the feed back of the reflected waves. When we broadcast or send, we are just sending our thoughts along a radio wave that has yet to be discovered or understood.
Energy manipulation, I believe this is closely tied to some sort of spiritual energy of some sort. The only reason I don't link it to my "psychokinesis theory" is because of the programing of constructs. It is more plausible (in my opinion) that you can program spiritual energy than electric.
I haven't done any (ANY) research to back up my claims, but this is what makes sense for me, so it's what I believe. But, I also believe there is a possiblility that psi is a 7th state of matter.
Bladesman
08-13-2006, 11:04 AM
Personal theory is there is no psi, it's just another way of focusing the mind to do something. At least, thats as close to how I can explain it in words...Either everything is psi, or nothing is../shrug
Jeffro
08-13-2006, 04:00 PM
I think psionics is some kind of energy your emotions and will produce.
Bennu666
09-27-2006, 06:35 AM
Hello, I'm new and have just spent hours reading many of the posts in the forums and decided to finally "say" something in this one.
Psi, to my mind, experience, sense, feelings, process and developed practice, is an energy type that is moved by the mind and regulated by the nervous system, skin, meridians and chakras (not just the prime seven). Now how it is "generated" is not a satisfying answer to me. Especially from what I read and research in books and online compared to what I do on instict and natural reflex. It is seemingly generated spontaneously or by some techniques I have adapted when I want to practice experiencing the feel and "touch" and patterns of psi, so that I can examine it more closely. It's always available in abundance and stays constantly at the top of my concious awareness all the time. So I feel it's everywhere or it's potential is. But physics teaches us energy cannot be created only changed, so what process allows us to create psi and/or produce it and from where? We eat to digest and process chemical energy. So what is processed for psi? This is why I say all of the above. I lean towards the T.O.E. or "Theory Of Everything" and the so called "Unified Field" theory. What if we are biologically processing the ambient energies around us and as psions able to convert that energy to our specific genetic needs just as a tree converts carbon monoxide to the "nutrients" they need. Some may argue we don't need psi to live, but is that true for those of us who remember their first spontaneous psi-ball or clairvoyant experience in the same class as their first step and solid food?
I feel it could very well be part of the EMF specturm just on a frequency or wave we haven't the tech yet to measure effectively save through human experience. However parapsychologist are using EMR meters to read paranormal activity in concert with a psychic on investigations, what is the connection there? I'm also interested in the SOEF school of thought on Subtle Organized Energy Fields which supports a particle theory.
Okay, I guess for a newbie I sure babble a lot huh? but just my 2 and my attempt to participate in the conversation.
B
Winged_Wolf
09-27-2006, 06:52 AM
Because I deliberately block ambient energy and prevent it from contaminating my system. :P
Bennu666
09-28-2006, 01:25 AM
I definately can understand that, I really don't leave myself open either, you never know what your taking in while out in an uncontrolled environment.
It's more of a thought on possible energy relationships if any.
Winged_Wolf
09-28-2006, 02:57 AM
My point was, I feel it's unlikely I'm converting subtle energies from the ambient into psi, because I make a point to keep ambient subtle energies out of my system completely. And I generate quite a lot of psi.
Bennu666
09-29-2006, 02:48 AM
I did pick that point up already.
Bennu666
09-30-2006, 02:20 AM
My point was, I feel it's unlikely I'm converting subtle energies from the ambient into psi, because I make a point to keep ambient subtle energies out of my system completely. And I generate quite a lot of psi.
Hi WW, I hope you realize that I really did understand what you meant, wasn't trying to be cute or anything.
I also genuinely have been pondering seriously this question everyday since. I have been experimenting. After finishing four years of study for a mundane degree, I'm back to my esoteric practice and studies without mundane distractions. I went back to the Psion Guild's section on energy types and I understand how psi is an internal energy type versus an external energy type. I tend to generate a lot of psi too.
So I guess my reason for this reply is that you struck a chord with me. I do shielding and other techniques I picked up from you and Anka on the PG site. But not conciously keep other ambient subtle energies out. I simply just used them. I'm going to experiment on doing what you do and see if there is a difference to me as far as making sure it's pure versus tapping Earth, quantum, etc., as I do with other systems of pratice like Withcraft, Reiki, CM, etc. I am pretty healthy and young looking for my age and rarely get sick and I have also have healed others with through energy work too. So now I'm curious, if there is an "upswing" on the "quality" of psi I produce.
Thanks =)
Winged_Wolf
09-30-2006, 05:32 AM
Give it a few weeks to a couple of months for your system to adjust, and definitely keep us updated! :)
Bennu666
10-01-2006, 05:57 AM
definately I will do that =)
Bennu666
12-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Give it a few weeks to a couple of months for your system to adjust, and definitely keep us updated! :)
Just wanted to post this since I said I would three months ago when I started out on this forum. It will be about 3 months next Wednesday that I started testing, using and working with psi excusively according to the Guild’s theories on the benefits of using only internally derived energy types of psi-energy. Even though I have worked with other energy types for several years, it did not take me long to attune my system and work within the perimeters of generating energy that I can produce myself. I’m comfortable with the use of this energy type just as well as I have been in the past with any magic system, subtle energy manipulations or other related practices.
Observations:
Noticeably my mediations have become more “pleasurable” and charging is something I like doing. I practiced shielding and psionic constructs each and everyday with psi alone and it really is different. The shields and other constructs have more sensation and texture and their patterns are visible to me. When looking at my skin I can see a white glow which becomes more yellowish and sometimes orange-gold, then further out blue. The pattern seems to be like static and flows outwards like waves. My charges tingle and yet have even more concentrated fluxes in areas that seem more localized. For instance when gather psi to my head I can feel it all over but the strongest sensation is the top of the head towards the front, just spilling over onto the forehead.
I like making simple constructs like psi-balls with one hand as this seems be more “visible” to me this way. The tips of my fingers tingle and the same yellowish pattern flows into the shape I want. I notice that towards the constructs center is a sort of bluish center that radiates out to the yellow. My cats and partner have been able to verify pinging and construct movement (pushing the psi-ball across the floor for the kitties). People also stare a lot especially on trains. Since I’m always “online” I use the time and energy to practice as often and as best I can. So any strangers who are sensitive’s are probably, I hope, seeing my shields or rotating constructs. I do not scan anyone; okay maybe surface scans when I catch them staring, just to see if they are psionist then can I detect one? Maybe not yet…But I always catch the person looking.
Skill sets and changes?
Lucid Dreaming seems to be even better then before. The actual manipulation of energy in itself is pretty much the same as I’ve always done. But it’s like with anything you take on fresh; you are bound to slip once in a while, like my discharge incident last month. Shifting to internal psi-energy alone is an adjustment, no doubt about it. I have always been able to make an EMF meter move but now I have been able to make it go off occasionally especially after a good meditation session. I set it near me and when I reach the “height” of the alpha state it goes off when I get near it. TK practice is at a minimum at this time. But I hope to develop that better as I move on. Sensing has also increased nicely especially thoughts. This is my favorite as it’s fun and amazing to know what one will say or do before they do. Precognitive and Retro cognitive skills are there too. I’m not at phenomenon class but it is okay with me as is. I’m not looking too see too far ahead on things I don’t want to know.
So far…
So what is psi to me? Is it an internal energy that my nervous system produces? It seems to me after three months to be related to a form of electromagnetism that the body is able to produce and is similar to other physical energies. I’m also thinking particles because of how the patterns that I perceive look and move. This energy has always been visible to me but I have not ever tried to place a name to it and would like to see if others have similar observations or other theories. If it is another energy type then I would like to still investigate it since it is how I’m seeing energy and even when I try to read signatures and auras this pattern and spectrum of colors forms first. It has a light feel and loose like fire and when controlled and manipulated a flowing wave and this is when the pattern starts to add the blue hue. The tactile sensations are statically charged and a lot like if you move towards a TV screen after it’s been on awhile and the static buildup is there. It is tangible and a force that slightly pushes back. When charging, the energy feels the same. When I want to really juice up I will create/sense/feel arcs of energy like bolts of lighting shooting from one limb to the other or up my spine to my head. This seems to work a lot and sort of helps me agree that it is electromagnetically related.
Any thoughts for or against are welcomed. But I can honestly say this really works for me and I may never go back to any other energy type.
Thanks
B